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Goroyals22 said:
Revised narrative??? Like we are going to the draft but keeping all the old age pensioners on the list??? The we know where our list is at but keeping the old age pensioners on the list???
The we know we need to get young blokes into the team but keeping all the pensioners on the list knowing it will be them if fit fronting up to play round one.
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I will leave it to you and others to work through ALL the detail and issues
Lazzas said:
Waterman is a good player, as a third tall he bobs up and kicks goals. Give it a rest, any forward will struggle with the currant lack of supply.
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He has been resting himself (waterman) for years
 
Forward Press said:
They are handy depth at worst and every club needs their depth because it is not possible for the first 22 to make it through a whole year. If another club comes in for them, fine, let them go, but they're not exactly attracting many suitors are they? .
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And thats exactly the point.. no other team would be remotely interested in them… why?? Its because they aren’t any good yet have 5 and 6 years in the list proving that and still are under contract… im sorry they are one year contracts each year at best.. if the players don’t like it so what.
 

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Has anything or any one fallen out yet?

All I seem to read is players being re-signed and off field support staff being given another 12 months to prove themselves.

The only players going retired and Jnr wants out.

Eagles senior management are really earning their pay cheques ATM.:rolleyes::$:$:drunk:
 
Forward Press said:
They are handy depth at worst and every club needs their depth because it is not possible for the first 22 to make it through a whole year. If another club comes in for them, fine, let them go, but they're not exactly attracting many suitors are they?



You're proving my point and disproving yours.



We had plenty of mid-tier list cloggers in our premiership years, and the years before when we were 'finishing 7th to 12th for years'. People harping on the mantra about 'da yoof' and 'play the kids ffs' have NFI about AFL, sorry not sorry.

I honestly don't understand this obsession with clearing the decks of players like Waterman and Petrucelle and throwing some 18 year old kid in their place instead.
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Yep, the likelihood of getting players better than Waterman and Petch after say pick 35-40 is pretty low.

If they are pushed out of the side and squad by better younger talent that is great, but moving them on so we can take pick 75 (which is a minimum 2 year contract) is insane thinking.

Would love the club to spend some $ on getting specialist advice on Petch's hammies. He has lost confidence in his pace (and I don't think anyone is arguing he is a natural footballer, his pace was his weapon). There is enough there (when he has his pace) to graft a career at AFL level, but with constant injuries he might be done next year.

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shooshka said:
Yep, the likelihood of getting players better than Waterman and Petch after say pick 35-40 is pretty low.

If they are pushed out of the side and squad by better younger talent that is great, but moving them on so we can take pick 75 (which is a minimum 2 year contract) is insane thinking.

Would love the club to spend some $ on getting specialist advice on Petch's hammies. He has lost confidence in his pace (and I don't think anyone is arguing he is a natural footballer, his pace was his weapon). There is enough there (when he has his pace) to graft a career at AFL level, but with constant injuries he might be done next year.

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I like the idea that we couldn’t get players better than those two with picks 40 and above… so because their bad we dont want to run the risk of someone worse…

You don’t have to watch much footy as a recruiter to find better than them Australia wide…
 
Goroyals22 said:
I like the idea that we couldn’t get players better than those two with picks 40 and above… so because their bad we dont want to run the risk of someone worse…

You don’t have to watch much footy as a recruiter to find better than them Australia wide…
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From my POV, it’s more a case of not wanting to discard them before they’ve had chance to play their best footy.

Waterman is a very good set shot and mark. I think his best position is FF. His WAFL form at FF is extremely good. With Kennedy retiring, I’d like to see him given that opportunity. My main reservation about Waterman at FF would be his height.

I’ve always thought Darling plays best as a third forward.

I think our ideal forward set up would be a Waterman closest to goal, Allen playing a traditional CHF and Darling playing a very mobile role.

As for Petruccelle, he has shown he can kick bags. Obviously, he hasn’t been able to do it consistently, but he’s shown that he can cause opposition defences major problems. I think if he gets his body right, he could be a match winner.

Personally, I would much rather have seen Hurn, Redden and Shuey go.
 
Marlin01 said:
From my POV, it’s more a case of not wanting to discard them before they’ve had chance to play their best footy.

Waterman is a very good set shot and mark. I think his best position is FF. His WAFL form at FF is extremely good. With Kennedy retiring, I’d like to see him given that opportunity. My main reservation about Waterman at FF would be his height.

I’ve always thought Darling plays best as a third forward.

I think our ideal forward set up would be a Waterman closest to goal, Allen playing a traditional CHF and Darling playing a very mobile role.

As for Petruccelle, he has shown he can kick bags. Obviously, he hasn’t been able to do it consistently, but he’s shown that he can cause opposition defences major problems. I think if he gets his body right, he could be a match winner.

Personally, I would much rather have seen Hurn, Redden and Shuey go.
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How much longer though do you hold onto those though?? The 8 years Nelsons been given?
Waterman isn’t big or strong enough for a full forward, he has no brains where to lead nor the strength to take a contest mark. He averages .5 a contested mark a game for his career, .6 of a contested mark this year.. …6 years on the list , next year 7.and he can’t cement a spot outside of injury. F him off.

Petch has some tools but he has no self confidence to use them, is a shocking field kick, 52% kick efficiency for the year, 42% goal accuracy for the year 47% in his career and for a small forward is less than a tackle a game inside 50. Next year is his 6th on the list. If he cant make it next year f him off. The fact every game he plays he then misses 2 due to hamstrings as well.
 
Goroyals22 said:
How much longer though do you hold onto those though?? The 8 years Nelsons been given?
Waterman isn’t big or strong enough for a full forward, he has no brains where to lead nor the strength to take a contest mark. He averages .5 a contested mark a game for his career, .6 of a contested mark this year.. …6 years on the list , next year 7.and he can’t cement a spot outside of injury. F him off.

Petch has some tools but he has no self confidence to use them, is a shocking field kick, 52% kick efficiency for the year, 42% goal accuracy for the year 47% in his career and for a small forward is less than a tackle a game inside 50. Next year is his 6th on the list. If he cant make it next year f him off. The fact every game he plays he then misses 2 due to hamstrings as well.
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Preferred Nelson on our list than half of the senior list who dgaf for large parts - at least with Nelson, he made up for his limited talent with effort and intensity and a willingness to put in a shift. Could do with more of his type on our list than say Andrew Gaff.

Waterman is a third tall type, he was never going to average the numbers of Josh Kennedy or Lance Franklin or Harry McKay as the ball went to other KPFs first. I do agree that if he doesn't improve his output in 2023 now that JK is gone, he might be shown the door as he should get more forward 50s directed his way.

Petrucelle teases with his talent but again if he doesn't improve next year (especially if he remains permanently injured) then he would also be a candidate to be moved on - he is now important to retain even if only as depth in the event Rioli departs too.

Given our current rebuilding state, there really is little benefit turfing them prematurely and throwing say Campbell Chesser or Bailey Williams in for 22 games next year because - even if they may be the next big things - they are still developing into AFL standard players.

I'm prepared to be patient and see what Simmo can do next year - don't worry, I'll be joining those calling for his head if the same slop is still served up for the first half of next year.
 
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wheres the west coast delistings.
 
I wonder if another bottom 4 finish next year, after predicting a rapid rebound into the 8, would be enough for the club to to put Nisbett on his bike and send him off into the sunset. I actually doubt it would. And that is troubling. I think Nisbett is so entrenched that we will need a flame thrower to get him out the C CEO chair.
 
Free Agent said:
Could you imagine if they all came back super fit and some miracle we made next year's Granny.

We all would be saying thank f*CK for those credits. Those sweet sweet credits.

Just a weird day dream I'm having right now.
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The reality is that no side can stay up forever.

2023 needs to be about using up as much of the cap required on the players with serious contracts (Gaff, McGov, Yeo, Kelly). Clear the decks for some big space going into 2024.

Accept this will be a development year for many and give young players extended runs in the 1's. (Chesser, Hough, this year's Rd 1/2 selections, Culley, L Edwards, O'Neill).

Redefine a gameplan based on more attack, no sideways/backward movement.

Reload with selections in 2023 again and seek FA's with cap space available.
 
Goroyals22 said:
I like the idea that we couldn’t get players better than those two with picks 40 and above… so because their bad we dont want to run the risk of someone worse…

You don’t have to watch much footy as a recruiter to find better than them Australia wide…
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Are you saying you would prefer to give 2 years to a Trew, Naish, Greg Clark, Winder - compared to 1 more year for Petch and Waterman?

That's the level of player we are getting in the late draft rounds. Regardless of favorite player or not - the output from Petch and Waterman is well ahead of those guys with only Clark possibly continuing on the list.

I'm not saying Waterman, Petch, and others won't eventually get cut - just that the urgency to do it this year isn't there as we would be replacing them with average/worse players on 2 year minimum deals.
 
WA footy mad said:
Only play players under 22 if we dont have enough players under 22 to make a full team go into the game with less players or forfiet. At least or WAFL team may win a few games.
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Has to be fishing for a bite, no way would anyone even with that tag even think this was in anyway a good idea.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Has anything or any one fallen out yet?

All I seem to read is players being re-signed and off field support staff being given another 12 months to prove themselves.

The only players going retired and Jnr wants out.

Eagles senior management are really earning their pay cheques ATM.:rolleyes::$:$:drunk:
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They are all just putting their heads in the sand and hope without injuries we can do a Collingwood and jump up the ladder again .

Nothing more sure than the old credits in the bank crew starting round 1 next year if fit .

I mean they re-signed any of the old guys who wanted to go on and have kept the strength and conditioning staff .

Nothing changed . Nic nat will still be unfit and unable to run out games if his body doesn't fall apart .

Guys like shuey and gaff will still be leading the midfield and plodding behind their direct opponents
 
daddy_4_eyes said:
To summarise the last 11 pages, the fallout after our worst season ever is:
  • Simmo retains job.
  • Coaching staff retain jobs.
  • S&C retain jobs.
  • Veterans given contract extensions.
  • ROB told he has a job for life

Seems legit.
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All this by a CEO who quietly has been dealt another 2 years who still sits on the governance board that is meant to be reviewing his performance. Meanwhile he continues to micromanage with staff asked to do dual roles while his son continues to be promoted.

Meanwhile - it is often said that we are in a results business
  • AFL team % off wooden spoon
  • AFLW team wooden spoon
  • WAFL team wooden spoon
 

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