Training Training Thread 2023

[My Left Foote]

Anyone got access to the full write up for this one?


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Pretty sure thats the full article. I’ve also posted it in this thread too see previous page.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Pretty sure thats the full article. I’ve also posted it in this thread too see previous page.

Pretty sure there is more that you can access if you're subscribed

 

[berniemccarthy]

Pretty sure thats the full article. I’ve also posted it in this thread too see previous page.

There are 15 questions on every club. Only 5 get published free. So another 10 questions for subscribers. I’ve got a few subscriptions and not going to do any more but maybe someone is an existing subscriber.

 

[zoomba23]

Yeh nah id respectfully disagree. Ageing squad, only a few top line players, a player that's all about himself, it'll only take a few injuries before their season is derailed.

Wines, Boak, Dixon, Marshall, Rozee, Butters, Houston, Aliir, Georgiades, Rioli is a ****ing strong base to build off. The type of base that makes last year more likely to be an anomaly rather than a breakeven season for where their list is at. Also have a hunch that JHF's positive output will outweigh his negative

 

[Roos1991]

With better ball movement I’d be playing larkey at chf and even a smaller FF line if CCJ/ comben aren’t in side

I don't think he's our solution at CHF. He's a lock anywhere within 30-40m. Don't know why we'd throw that away to have him play 50-70 out of goal. Comben has the athleticism to do it there if he ever gets on the park. I think Larkey's output will go through the roof with some support inside 50 and better quality ball coming in.

 

[Roos1991]

LMAC analysis was interesting. I think he'd do well as a defensive forward and isn't afraid to have a crack when he's in range either. The bit I think was undersold is his solid intercept marking. Yes, he's a bit sloppy out of defence but he's incredibly reliable for his size going back with the ball. We'd need someone just as good filling that role. Also reckon the forward tagger role might be a good one for Drury or even Sheez as a bit of a development piece while they get used to the pace of the game.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Good analysis. 2 points that struck me:
1) I don't think the writer knows that Cunners has signed for 2 more years, so the club isn't planning for this year to be his last
2) I think he's being a bit generous with Jack, Been a great servant captain and warrior for the club, but I don't expect he plays beyond this year.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Agreed.
Geelong, Brisbane, tigers and swans would be my top 4 at this stage. Port are a long way behind those 4.

You would think Carlton will bounce back from their embarrassing capitulation.

The derby will be a coin flip.

Richmond have bolstered their midfield with good players and will be sitting at that 3-6 range.

St Kilda could finish anywhere from 6-14.

The bulldogs are a much better team on paper than Port. I don’t think anyone could argue with that. They will bounce back I feel.

Gold Coast is building a really nice even side. They lost Rankine but got some good ins as well. They could finish in that 8-12 zone.

Adelaide and West Coast have had their time as basement dwellers. History tells us that these two clubs simply cannot afford losing for long periods. Both could be in the 10-16 range.

I can see something like this playing out:

Top bracket:

Brisbane
Melbourne
Sydney
Geelong

Second tier

Carlton
Richmond
Collingwood
Bulldogs
Fremantle

Third tier

Gold Coast
St Kilda
Adelaide
Port Adelaide
West Coast

Fourth tier

North
Essendon
GWS
Hawthorn

I think we are looking at a 5-9 pick from Port.

 

[SnowyontheTram]

"I have made a point of steering clear of the investigation into Clarko at Hawthorn on this site, entirely – I much prefer the process to be complete before I make comment; that’s what responsible people/websites do. "

 

[JGreezy]

Port could finish anywhere from 5th to 15th, in my opinion. Its hard to pick them.

They start the year with:

• Brisbane
• @ Collingwood
• Crows
• @ Swans
• Bulldogs
• West Coast
• @ St Kilda
• Essendon
• @ NORTH MELBOURNE

The dream for North would be that Port start 0-5, then go 2-1 for WC/StK/Ess. Then we kick the shit out of them and they fire Hinkley.

After that they have:

• Melbourne
• @ Richmond
• Hawthorn
• @ Bulldogs
• Geelong

They could be 3-10.

They then have the bye followed by this stretch:

• @ Essendon
• Gold Coast
• @ Carlton

Say they go 2-1 = 5-11. Then the run home is:

• Collingwood
• Adelaide
• @ Geelong
• GWS
• @ Freo
• Richmond

Best case for us is probably 2-4. So they finish the year 7-15 and we get around the 3rd to 5th pick.

Alternatively, and probably more likely, I could easily see them going 13-9 and ending up in the 5th-8th range. I feel like a few key games could swing their season.

If they win the first Derby and then get on a run against Bullies, Eagles, Saints, Bombers, North then they'll be 6-3 and in position to finish 5th.

If they lose that first derby and drop a game to Saints or Bombers, then lose to us, I think that a top 5 pick is in play.

 

[Orange Peanut]

That article was fantastic, and I hate to pick out negatives when the mainstream press have me struggling to pick out positives from their previews, but:
-Lmac has won a Syd Barker
-Cunners has 2 years on his contract
-Paul Curtis fits a lot of the questions around small forward
-Drury has orange hair.

Apart from that, superb stuff and has me a little bit more pumped for 2023

 

[Fish Sticks]

Port could finish anywhere from 5th to 15th, in my opinion. Its hard to pick them.

They start the year with:

• Brisbane
• @ Collingwood
• Crows
• @ Swans
• Bulldogs
• West Coast
• @ St Kilda
• Essendon
• @ NORTH MELBOURNE

The dream for North would be that Port start 0-5, then go 2-1 for WC/StK/Ess. Then we kick the s**t out of them and they fire Hinkley.

After that they have:

• Melbourne
• @ Richmond
• Hawthorn
• @ Bulldogs
• Geelong

They could be 3-10.

They then have the bye followed by this stretch:

• @ Essendon
• Gold Coast
• @ Carlton

Say they go 2-1 = 5-11. Then the run home is:

• Collingwood
• Adelaide
• @ Geelong
• GWS
• @ Freo
• Richmond

Best case for us is probably 2-4. So they finish the year 7-15 and we get around the 3rd to 5th pick.

Alternatively, and probably more likely, I could easily see them going 13-9 and ending up in the 5th-8th range. I feel like a few key games could swing their season.

If they win the first Derby and then get on a run against Bullies, Eagles, Saints, Bombers, North then they'll be 6-3 and in position to finish 5th.

If they lose that first derby and drop a game to Saints or Bombers, then lose to us, I think that a top 5 pick is in play.

Yep they are certainly a hard team to pick… they have yo-yo’d up & down the ladder for a while now & have the propensity to go on runs of W or L for periods during a season.
If they get on a roll they could finish 5-8.
Conversely, a bad start could see Hinkley under massive pressure & the wheels could fall off, seeing them finish around 12-14. They do have a pretty tough draw.
Finishing above them would be glorious, if not miraculous!
Our game against them will be an old-fashioned ‘8 point game’
A death ride is certainly good fun when a first round pick is involved.

 

[The acurate one]

Personally, I’d love to see North make some significant steps. Too many people have taken delight in sinking the boots in over the last few years and it will be gratifying for North supporters to give them (cough Caroline Wilson cough) the middle finger as they come out the other side of this rebuild.

Thanks Troy,

I read most of it, not a fan of the comment about the book re al clarko. Thought the Comben comments lacked knowledge or awareness. Charlie did manage ten games last season and Viney asked why he never got AFL time, as why bother playing him in the VFL.

will be interesting to see how al clarko and Co deal with our very conservative approach to players returning to the AFL from injury.

Edit, I forget to comment on the bit I quoted, my favourite part of the article. It will piss off plenty not if but when we come good.

These are some of the draft picks we've had in recent times

2019 pick 31 Comben ( reckon he'll prove to be an absolute bargain.)
2020 pick 3 Wil Phillips
2020 pick 13 Tom Powell
2021 pick 20 Goater
2021 pick 35 Curtis
( those two alone make losing JHFF a less bitter pill, before factoring in what we received for him)
2022 pick 3 Sheezel
2022 pick 4 Wardlaw
2022 pick 26 George

2023
first round
first round


Something about weight of numbers springs to mind. Yeah it has been tough but it will prove well worthwhile. al clarko has said as much and knows what we have at our disposal.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

Port could finish anywhere from 5th to 15th, in my opinion. Its hard to pick them.

Yep they are certainly a hard team to pick… they have yo-yo’d up & down the ladder for a while now & have the propensity to go on runs of W or L for periods during a season.

Imo, it's because Port have a number of injury (& suspension) prone players that are vital to the success of their team. Obviously, Robbie Gray is taken out of the equation now, but the Big 4 are Dixon, Jonas, Butters & Rozee (handcuff these last 2 with the similar Fantasia).

If at least 2 of these quartet are gone at the same time, then they are just a run of the mill team. If all 4 are there, they are a genuine Preliminary Final chance, because it frees up the likes of Wines, Boak & Houston in the midfield, Marshall & Finlayson/Georgiadis up forward, and Burton & McKenzie down back.

Actually, I'll add a 5th in Scott Lycett. Sam Hayes is a plodder and having to throw Finlayson into the ruck last season hurt them after opposition teams realised what was going on. Teakle may have been a good get in the mid-season draft, but even he got injured immediately.

 

[Passmore]

Thanks Troy,

I read most of it, not a fan of the comment about the book re al clarko. Thought the Comben comments lacked knowledge or awareness. Charlie did manage ten games last season and Viney asked why he never got AFL time, as why bother playing him in the VFL.

will be interesting to see how al clarko and Co deal with our very conservative approach to players returning to the AFL from injury.

Edit, I forget to comment on the bit I quoted, my favourite part of the article. It will piss off plenty not if but when we come good.

These are some of the draft picks we've had in recent times

2019 pick 31 Comben ( reckon he'll prove to be an absolute bargain.)
2020 pick 3 Wil Phillips
2020 pick 13 Tom Powell
2021 pick 20 Goater
2021 pick 35 Curtis
( those two alone make losing JHFF a less bitter pill, before factoring in what we received for him)
2022 pick 3 Sheezel
2022 pick 4 Wardlaw
2022 pick 26 George

2023
first round
first round


Something about weight of numbers springs to mind. Yeah it has been tough but it will prove well worthwhile. al clarko has said as much and knows what we have at our disposal.

I’m getting the impression that al Clarko is a little excited by what’s at his disposal.

 

[The acurate one]

I’m getting the impression that al Clarko is a little excited by what’s at his disposal.

Yes very much so and al clarko is the type that will no doubt have his style but he will try and compliment the strengths of our group.
Which will be run out of defence and numbers back to support.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Yes very much so and al clarko is the type that will no doubt have his style but he will try and compliment the strengths of our group.
Which will be run out of defence and numbers back to support.

As long as there is some semblance of forward structure, as in more than zero players in the front half of the field, I think we’ll be OK.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

LMAC analysis was interesting. I think he'd do well as a defensive forward and isn't afraid to have a crack when he's in range either. The bit I think was undersold is his solid intercept marking. Yes, he's a bit sloppy out of defence but he's incredibly reliable for his size going back with the ball. We'd need someone just as good filling that role. Also reckon the forward tagger role might be a good one for Drury or even Sheez as a bit of a development piece while they get used to the pace of the game.

The bit about Luke McDonald perhaps finally becoming a Syd Barker winner in this new position of defensive forward was an interesting point except for one minor flaw.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

That article was fantastic, and I hate to pick out negatives when the mainstream press have me struggling to pick out positives from their previews, but:
-Lmac has won a Syd Barker
-Cunners has 2 years on his contract
-Paul Curtis fits a lot of the questions around small forward
-Drury has orange hair.

Apart from that, superb stuff and has me a little bit more pumped for 2023

I think he also missed the fact that Bailey Scott spent a lot of time on the wing last season and ended up 3rd in the Syd Barker so to say we lacked a second winger after Curtis Taylor just because the Mongrel rankings say so was a flawed argument.

 

[The Dingrel]

Round 9 is optimistic going on the last few seasons…
Pre-season hype always lulls the BigFooty folk into a false sense of security.
We quickly forget the horrors of the previous season & are full of optimism.
I’m guilty of it myself… “how will we fit all of our stars into the 22”
We are January- March heroes, when everyone is burning up the track, all of our youngsters are due for a break out season & we don’t have any injuries…It’s a glorious time of year especially when you are the cellar dwellers of the league.
Round 1 usually takes the wind out of our sails pretty quickly. By round 3-4 we have no depth & wanting to delist half of our playing list.

As far as half back goes, I would like to see Thomas trialled down there. He has the speed & skills to be a great half back. Get the ball in his hands as much as possible & let him work his magic.
Easiest place on the ground to get cheap possies & a good way to get him back in form & his confidence up.

We would be hoping Bergman comes on as he has the tools to be that line breaking skillful half back.

I hear what you are saying, but if you look at individual players and consider their ability (and probably potential in quite a few cases), then you add the talent together to make a whole, the output in the last season or so is less than the sum which comes down to coaching. So I do think there is a lot of upside in 1/ a fit cunners, TT, Phillips and Comben 2/ Natural improvement of young players, 3/ Additions of Logue, and depth of tucker, howe, shiels 4/ The coaching panel.

Our best was competitive with some very good teams last year for a quarter or two. So the talent is there.

While I don't think we'll race up the ladder and make the 8, my expectations for 2023 are a ladder position somewhere 10-13. I wouldn't be disappointed with a lower finish, but as long as the beltings are fewer, our percentage is more respectable, and we are competitive for 4 quarters most weeks.

 

[The Dingrel]

Wow if that’s the case Hinkley would be sacked right about then

Surely that couldn't happen could it? Poort are a picture of stability are they not?.....never tear us apart, fighting to play behind jail bars and all that.

 

[The Dingrel]

They’ve got a nice squad, but it is ageing. Could see a few soft tissue injuries to their top end oldies.

Any water skiing accidents?

 

[The Dingrel]

Good analysis. 2 points that struck me:
1) I don't think the writer knows that Cunners has signed for 2 more years, so the club isn't planning for this year to be his last
2) I think he's being a bit generous with Jack, Been a great servant captain and warrior for the club, but I don't expect he plays beyond this year.

Yeah, the "in depth" analysis has a few errors and is a bit questionable. Commentary about Lmac for one, he's already won a syd barker. The bit about the small forwards haven't had one to kick 20+ goals in a season since LT....then goes on to talk about Stevo who kicked 17, and I'm being a bit pedantic but Stevo is 188cm.....is he really a small forward and if so where do you draw that line? Tarryn Thomas is listed at 189cm and kicked 24 from 21 games in 2021.......Is less than 188.5cm now modern day thinking for what a small forward is? If so that would make GAJ senior, Dunstall, and Blight all small forwards! Then there's the wingman thing, completely ignored Bailey Scott's season.

 

[Shermanator]

Any water skiing accidents?

Might be a few players slipping on Ken’s spit when he’s under the pump..

 

[Ligma]

Sheezel, wardlaw, coops and I think? Brayden (correct me if I’m wrong)