Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[doug85]

Like a 14 year old playing call of duty

Or me watching us over the last 20 years

 

[Rick Ross]

Lions are atrocious atm.

Another wasted year. People complaining about our defence just watch what the Lions are dishing up. North level.

Ha ha … going to start conveying the scale of shithousery by this (North Level).

 

[Rick Ross]

I don't know about that, certainly not to an unreasonable extent.

Clearly Mitchell/Hawthorn put it on Chol at half time because he was much more aggressive and influential in the second half (after an insipid first half).

It was a weird game. There were a lot of things in that game that superficially looked good for Hawthorn. They seemed to get the game played in the way they wanted. This is reflected in the numbers, uncontested game aside, and territory.

Question then becomes whether the numbers are artificial because Hawthorn had more numbers around the ball, which then robs them of forward efficiency and compromises their ability to defend, or whether they reflect an actual tactical/head to head win.

I can't say. Mitchell clearly thinks they had the game on their terms. But Sydney is not really a clearance team it's a ball movement team these days. So if you've given them 50 more uncontested possessions you've lost.

The margin did blow out in the first half on the back of that Chol incident and a few bad shots on goal. It becomes hard to hold on then.

But then, if you have to take every chance to be close enough you're not really close are you?

There have been worse performances which haven't been as heavy. I wouldn't be worried but then I'm not watching them every week and don't know whether they've hit some fools gold (as we have numerous times over the last 7 years).

Nice call out.
Some SEN Mitchell fan boy-ery this morning online, floating how Hawthorn did really well in some key stats -

Many of the Hawks’ best players have struggled for form in 2024, but in another sign that Mitchell’s system is holding up despite, Hawthorn had the better of many major stats.

Mitchell’s mob were well up in contested possessions, won the clearance count and had the better of inside 50s for much of the contest.

Mitchell explains Scrimshaw spray & Hawks' goal kicking woes after heaviest loss of 2024

The third-year coach insisted effort wasn't to blame after Hawthorn slumped to a 76-point loss to Sydney.

www.sen.com.au

So real story (thanks to BrunoV ) -

• Mitchell stacking players around the ball
• Racking up fake clearance credibility (at cost of second touch activity inside the forward line)
• Fan boy media perpetuating the Mitchell can coach myth…

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[Ati Tude]

Did somebody say KFC?

Which I assume stands for Karma you F#%^ing C@&$

 

[silk]

Can someone please help get me this in gif form?

 

[TheBrightSide]

silk

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Throw our war chest at first gamer...Jake Rogers. Big enough sample size for me haha. What a gun and exactly what we need.

 

[Rick Ross]

Throw our war chest at first gamer...Jake Rogers. Big enough sample size for me haha. What a gun and exactly what we need.

Looked great. Exciting player getting it forward really sharply. Fantastic to watch. Forward line would be buying him coffees each week.

Draft profile -
A diminutive midfielder who punches above his weight, Jake Rogers offers an elite combination of speed, skill, and decision making.

Hell yes!

looks up what “diminutive” means
(Means : 170cm)

Puts a line through him

 

[Rick Ross]

I think all the haters should back off Sam Mitchell. Have some f###ing empathy for what the guy was going through when he blew up at his players…

Seething Hawks coach unleashes savage spray on own players

Sam Mitchell had steam coming out of his ears in a rare outburst that had shades of a former generation.

7news.com.au

He’d probably just realised that dumping all his experience players, going to the draft without picking up required quality … and (dumbest of all) backing himself to be some kind of coaching messiah (when he’s just a naughty little arsehat man child) means he’s just relegated his beloved club to a decade of shithousery.

Watching his head explode is a rare privilege.

 

[ant555]

Did I hear right that Mitchell said if you take away the scoreboard we looked okay ?

 

[Rick Ross]

Did I hear right that Mitchell said if you take away the scoreboard we looked okay ?

ant555 please take that to the Delusional Pearlers thread.

 

[DERO]

I think all the haters should back off Sam Mitchell. Have some f###ing empathy for what the guy was going through when he blew up at his players…

Seething Hawks coach unleashes savage spray on own players

Sam Mitchell had steam coming out of his ears in a rare outburst that had shades of a former generation.

7news.com.au

He’d probably just realised that dumping all his experience players, going to the draft without picking up required quality … and (dumbest of all) backing himself to be some kind of coaching messiah (when he’s just a naughty little arsehat man child) means he’s just relegated his beloved club to a decade of shithousery.

Watching his head explode is a rare privilege.

It truly is a beautiful thing.

 

[Vindicater]

Nice call out.
Some SEN Mitchell fan boy-ery this morning online, floating how Hawthorn did really well in some key stats -

Many of the Hawks’ best players have struggled for form in 2024, but in another sign that Mitchell’s system is holding up despite, Hawthorn had the better of many major stats.

Mitchell’s mob were well up in contested possessions, won the clearance count and had the better of inside 50s for much of the contest.

So real story (thanks to BrunoV ) -

• Mitchell stacking players around the ball
• Racking up fake clearance credibility (at cost of second touch activity inside the forward line)
• Fan boy media perpetuating the Mitchell can coach myth…

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Is that SYL?

 

[Rick Ross]

Is that SYL?

What’s SYL?

 

[BrunoV]

Nope. He said "...we are going for big risky kicks when the instruction was the opposite"

I appreciate the insight into the game though because I haven't seen it. I'm on holidays

I suppose the issue is whether he should be taking one for the team.

He's an open book and has already been very critical of the performance against GC. Question is whether he's imposing openness on everyone else for his own benefit or whether everyone is happy. My default is that this sort of thing is not grounded in altruism, quite the opposite. At the end of the day, he is the one with the microphone and gets almost sole control of the narrative so I'll have a hard time believing his motivation isn't at least partly self-serving.

But that's not all evil. He will need to be able to control the narrative to see this rebuild through. It's smart.

That said, only a week ago they were fired up against North (the week after the GC match) so the players clearly responded to the first time he criticised them. It all depends on what internal expectations are and whether he has the players. I've heard Mitchell talk a number of times about things he / the coaches get wrong. As long as there is a 2 way street and he's taking responsibility (so as not to create an adversarial atmosphere between players and coaches) it should be fine. I will say that's it wouldn't be my style to let it pay out in pulbic.

I'd also put my dislike of Mitchell and Hawthorn aside. Voss could barely control himself even during the presser following the loss to Geelong. Id be stunned if he didnt bake a few players. Kingsley blow a few fuses early in his first year.

That 'old fashioned spray' I've just seen doesn't even register on the scale of what used to happen. That's a spray for people who think micro aggression are a thing.

All that aise, it would be fair to say that Mitchell has bit of work to do on bridging the gap between his ambition and the capacity of his list at this point in time.

 

[Rick Ross]

I'd also put my dislike of Mitchell and Hawthorn aside.

No. Don’t.
neverforget&neverforgive

We’re all enriched when you/anyone uses independent critical analysis … as long as it supports the right narrative (ok, half joking… but only half).

Sam short man syndrome Mitchell is and always has been a grub.

Knowing that makes it easier to assess where this behaviour comes from. Is it :

A. deeply thought out part of his 2024 strategic plan to get the best out of his players…

B. Being under immense pressure from his own falling house of cards end-to-end club strategy where he’s lashing out at players to make himself feel and look like the big man on campus…

 

[Rick Ross]

Sam short man syndrome Mitchell is and always has been a grub.

Knowing that makes it easier to assess where this behaviour comes from. Is it :

A. deeply thought out part of his 2024 strategic plan to get the best out of his players…

B. Being under immense pressure from his own falling house of cards end-to-end club strategy where he’s lashing out at players to make himself feel and look like the big man on campus…

Spoiler alert…

 

[Vindicater]

What’s SYL?

I will let Yoda_ answer that one. He seems to like him.

 

[Rick Ross]

On the back of Mitchell trying to defend his blow up via FoxSports, I’m going to pitch a new episode of the excellent show Forkie Asks A Question to Disney - Forkie asks Mitchell, “How do you Foot in mouth”

‘Enjoyed being coached like that’: Hawks coach stands by almighty quarter-time spray​

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...y/news-story/15eb37b5ec252b139604d004dd5153a0


If Mitchell ever goes to court, his lawyers should strongly suggest he doesn’t take the stand. You can see how it will play out -

“Skrimma wanted me to run him over. He enjoys being treated like that. You have to create an environment within the football club where you don’t just run someone over, you back over them a few times then drive off whilst publically warning them not to dispute coach’s version. As soon as the media department notified me that my egotistical brain fart was (obviously) televised, I called Skrimma to make the power dynamic clear:

• I’m the coach and your future is dependant upon my favour
• When the inevitable door stopped questioning from some journo comes, you’ll respond “yeah, nah, nothing to it. We’re building a robust feedback culture at Hawthorn. Sammy was spot on.”

 

[Rick Ross]

I will let Yoda_ answer that one. He seems to like him.

Think I worked it out. Might venture out of my safe space on the Essendon boards to -

Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?​

 

[Call Me Cake]

Teams have always seemed to be still in the game when playing the bloos.

 

[ghostdog]

I suppose the issue is whether he should be taking one for the team.

He's an open book and has already been very critical of the performance against GC. Question is whether he's imposing openness on everyone else for his own benefit or whether everyone is happy. My default is that this sort of thing is not grounded in altruism, quite the opposite. At the end of the day, he is the one with the microphone and gets almost sole control of the narrative so I'll have a hard time believing his motivation isn't at least partly self-serving.

But that's not all evil. He will need to be able to control the narrative to see this rebuild through. It's smart.

That said, only a week ago they were fired up against North (the week after the GC match) so the players clearly responded to the first time he criticised them. It all depends on what internal expectations are and whether he has the players. I've heard Mitchell talk a number of times about things he / the coaches get wrong. As long as there is a 2 way street and he's taking responsibility (so as not to create an adversarial atmosphere between players and coaches) it should be fine. I will say that's it wouldn't be my style to let it pay out in pulbic.

I'd also put my dislike of Mitchell and Hawthorn aside. Voss could barely control himself even during the presser following the loss to Geelong. Id be stunned if he didnt bake a few players. Kingsley blow a few fuses early in his first year.

That 'old fashioned spray' I've just seen doesn't even register on the scale of what used to happen. That's a spray for people who think micro aggression are a thing.

All that aise, it would be fair to say that Mitchell has bit of work to do on bridging the gap between his ambition and the capacity of his list at this point in time.

Yeah I thought it revealed the pressure he might be facing to get results, but I'm under no illusions that the context of understanding the players have from communication internally is much more nuanced as well. It was interesting today to see that his way of controlling the narrative was to say Scrimshaw likes being coached that way. I wondered if Scrimshaw has ever actually confessed that 'love.'

It would be great to be a fly on the wall for one of those sprays though. Voss could be scary. I reckon Lyon could make a person feel pretty dumb with few words. Same with Dimma.

 

[isthisit13]

Is it just me or did we leave the desk thumping back in the last century? The last time I saw this kind of aggression a dickhead punch a hole in the wall. (Could be wrong)

 

[Orange crush]

That poor table. So many jabs.

Leaving that one through to the keeper

 

[Beerfish]

Leaving that one through to the keeper

It was there intentionally.