Agree but I think it was a chicken and egg scenarioI just think they expanded the AFLW too quickly. Let the grassroots teams grow and as the standard improves then expand the AFLW.
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Agree but I think it was a chicken and egg scenarioI just think they expanded the AFLW too quickly. Let the grassroots teams grow and as the standard improves then expand the AFLW.
It will get there eventually. Watched a women's cricket international the oher night and the standard of the play has improved heaps since women's cricket was introduced.Agree but I think it was a chicken and egg scenario
you mean professional contracts and the like? cos international women's cricket has been around for nearly a centuryIt will get there eventually. Watched a women's cricket international the oher night and the standard of the play has improved heaps since women's cricket was introduced.
Cornes harps on about long-term contracts …. so I was wondering if indeed he’s correct. Keeping in mind having a player contracted means the club retains control of any trade / free agency scenario. Rioli and Bolton were signed to long deals …. thank God!
So I’ve reviewed players signed until 2029 or later, so 5+ years remaining. And assessed whether it looks like being a success / fail / too early to tell. Keeping in mind the benefits of paying less per season, keeping them out of oppo clutches, enabling shuffling of the cap etc… and fails are when they are injury riddled, not earning their money, stuck at the club and can’t be gotten rid of etc…
Keep in mind only a tiny percentage of quality players retire before 31yo in modern times. So the chance of a player being ‘cooked’ and retiring before contract end is very minimal.
Curnow : Success
McKay: Success
J Henry: too early
Stengle: success
Cox: too early
Treacy: too early
Amiss: too early
Jackson: success
Darcy: fail
Hardwick: success
Nash: too early
Battle: success
Perryman: too early
Quaynor: success
J Daicos: success
N Daicos: success
Ballard: success
M Andrew: success
Powell: success
McGrath; fail
B McKay: too early
Cumming: too early
Soligo: success
Rachele: too early
Waterman : too early
Zurhaar: too early
Scheezel: success
Simpkin: too early
Larkey: success
Xerri: success
Rozee: success
Powell pepper: too early
Marshall: fail
Mills: too early
Blakey: success
Florent: success
Hayward: success
Naughton: too early
English: success
Petracca: success
Oliver: fail
JVR: too early
Daniels: success
HH: success
Kelly: success
Taylor: success
Hipwood: fail
Andrews: success
Mccluggage: success
Payne: too early
Berry: success
King; too early
Hopper: fail
Balta: too early
TT: success
So 56 x players are currently contracted to 2029 or later. I only rate 6 as being ‘fails’. 19 of them are too early to tell - could go either way depending on form, injury etc…
So I rate 31 as successes, whereby unless something really abnormal happens there’s no reason to think they won’t easily fulfil the full-term of their deal playing quality football. As I said, the benefits of long term deals in regards to keeping control of your player in a trade is
massive.
Look at Bailey Smith. Uncontracted so looking like going for a late first. Rioli is 4-5 years older and looks like going for at least pick-6 as he signed a long-term deal a few years ago.
And taking Balta as an example. If he signs for 5-years we probably pay $5m, or $1m / season. Signs for 7-years we probably pay $5.95m, so $850k / season. And it would be massively front ended. So we pay $3m for first 2-years, then are ‘exposed’ to the tune of only $2.9 for last 5-years of his deal - which is just above average wage.
It keeps him away from free agency, away from Tassie and locks in our only young high quality KPP for his career.
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Interested to know why you think hopper is a fail 2 years in with 5 to go. Fail as he hasn’t been able to get consistency in his body? If that’s the reason. Fair enough but I’m still bullish on Hopper. He can play
Excellent contribution and thanks for doing that.
Absolute devil's task to try to rate each contract as a success or failure, and like most people no doubt I found myself disagreeing with the odd one. But overall the evidence does reinforce your point.
One interesting thing is key position and taller players are over-represented. They make up roughly 30% of each team that takes the field, but 50% of this list. It is probably easy enough to understand why this would be. Most of the best of these guys take about 6 years in the system before they can win their position consistently in matches. And often they don't get paid much in that phase of their careers. So clubs are saying better to wait 5 years, see which talls are looking like being good, and try to entice them with juicy contracts. To head this off, the clubs who have drafted these guys are tying them up long term as soon as they are confident the player has made the grade(which is when the big rival offers come.)
To do this exercise more credibly though of course we would want to go back over the ultimate history of long term deals 5 years+ over say the last 10 years and rate them retrospectively, or at least when the player is deep in the contract. But I am unsure where we would get this data in any sort of useful form.
Blair Hartley's 5 year + deals would make interesting reading. I presume something like Lynch, Dusty, Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt, Hopper, Taranto, Bolton, Rioli.
Not sure if there were any others? Doesn't read like too much of a disaster to me.
Get the feeling that it's all about him. He never got the big contract, so nor should anybody else. When they do, its wrong.Exactly … Cornes only highlights the ‘fails’. Conveniently doesn’t mention how valuable it is that Bolton and Rioli signed big money, long term deals a few years ago that gives Richmond the whip hand in these negotiations.
Also says Richmond should just let Balta go as a free agent as pick-2 is better than Balta. Doesn’t he see the Kangas and how they are tracking 7-years into their rebuild without enough KPP’s?
In a perfect world I agree I’d prefer Balta to be signed until 2030, not 2032. But … I’d also prefer he signed for us until 2032 and doesn’t sign for Sydney or Roos end of 2025 until 2032, because make no mistake they’d offer that tenure given they get him for nothing as a free agent.
Maybe Cornes should take the effort to speak with list managers and ask why they commit to these deals instead of just assuming there have been 56 x ‘big mistakes’ made across the competition ..??
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Nothing against it. More power to them. I only object to the media's insistence on talking about it as if it's an elite level competition. It's nowhere near that.You and others might not like it, For those with daughters atleast it gives them a chance to play.
I mean by definition it is the elite level AFL women’s competition. There isn’t any other level in existence that’s higherNothing against it. More power to them. I only object to the media's insistence on talking about it as if it's an elite level competition. It's nowhere near that.
That's all.
So you think the AFL media's hard sell on how exciting and amazing the league is doesn't come across as cringeworthy as I think it does?I mean by definition it is the elite level AFL women’s competition. There isn’t any other level in existence that’s higher
That’s a matter of opinion though right. For you it’s a too hard of a sell but for a ten-sixteen year old girl it’s perhaps empoweringSo you think the AFL media's hard sell on how exciting and amazing the league is doesn't come across as cringeworthy as I think it does?
Well, I'm someone they would want to watch the sport and possibly buy a membership though, aren't I? That's where the hard sell doesn't sit well.I’d take a stab at suggesting perhaps you’re not in the leading target market the AFLW is aiming themselves at
And I've no doubt it's increased. It will increase. Every year hopefully. And at some stage it will become a watchable football competition. Right now it's only watchable for the people who play it and for the parents of the people who play it.In any case the standard has clearly increased. I’ve found a majority of our games very watchable this year
That's it.For for goodness sake, the media is writing stories about it. It was on C9 news last night for 5 minutes in sport segment…2 goals to 1.
FFS they’re trying to brainwash us.
Firstly Cornes only looks at a single element not the full picture. If we traded Balta for pick 2 next year and we picked a KPP replacement that player would not be reaching his prime until 2031. The alternative which we have followed is to keep Balta and surround him with smalls who reach their prime much quicker. Similar with Lynch. With him in the side we have a target that allows the kids to develop an attacking game style without the ball rocketing back over their heads. We have the salary space so why would we trade players like Balta and put ourselves down the bottom of the ladder for the next six seasonsExactly … Cornes only highlights the ‘fails’. Conveniently doesn’t mention how valuable it is that Bolton and Rioli signed big money, long term deals a few years ago that gives Richmond the whip hand in these negotiations.
Also says Richmond should just let Balta go as a free agent as pick-2 is better than Balta. Doesn’t he see the Kangas and how they are tracking 7-years into their rebuild without enough KPP’s?
In a perfect world I agree I’d prefer Balta to be signed until 2030, not 2032. But … I’d also prefer he signed for us until 2032 and doesn’t sign for Sydney or Roos end of 2025 until 2032, because make no mistake they’d offer that tenure given they get him for nothing as a free agent.
Maybe Cornes should take the effort to speak with list managers and ask why they commit to these deals instead of just assuming there have been 56 x ‘big mistakes’ made across the competition ..??
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Firstly Cornes only looks at a single element not the full picture. If we traded Balta for pick 2 next year and we picked a KPP replacement that player would not be reaching his prime until 2031. The alternative which we have followed is to keep Balta and surround him with smalls who reach their prime much quicker. Similar with Lynch. With him in the side we have a target that allows the kids to develop an attacking game style without the ball rocketing back over their heads. We have the salary space so why would we trade players like Balta and put ourselves down the bottom of the ladder for the next six seasons
Your ratio of fact is too high. Lower it or get off this board mate. It’s embarrassing.He could be… what the hell do I know. I make up 90% of what I post on here. The remaining 10% is fact — afl is a corrupt conspiracy against Richmond and Cumbo for Brownlow in 2025
Also lets not sit here and pretend the AFL would give us pick 2 for BaltaExactly … Cornes only highlights the ‘fails’. Conveniently doesn’t mention how valuable it is that Bolton and Rioli signed big money, long term deals a few years ago that gives Richmond the whip hand in these negotiations.
Also says Richmond should just let Balta go as a free agent as pick-2 is better than Balta. Doesn’t he see the Kangas and how they are tracking 7-years into their rebuild without enough KPP’s?
In a perfect world I agree I’d prefer Balta to be signed until 2030, not 2032. But … I’d also prefer he signed for us until 2032 and doesn’t sign for Sydney or Roos end of 2025 until 2032, because make no mistake they’d offer that tenure given they get him for nothing as a free agent.
Maybe Cornes should take the effort to speak with list managers and ask why they commit to these deals instead of just assuming there have been 56 x ‘big mistakes’ made across the competition ..??
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