CRYSTAL BALL - Whats your measure of success in the upcoming years ahead? Heres mine

[tiger_tough]

tiger_tough would definitely be one to take whatever he can get

ASL?

 

[tigs2010]

ASL?

Not sure on Wookie's A & L but S he's clearly replying Yes

 

[sanaya]

not that they're the barometer but curnow(pick 10) & mckay(pick 12) were both drafted in 2015 and it took curnow til 2022 and mckay til 2021 to be >2 goals a game fwds (curnow only played 4 games in 2021 so there's every chance he could've made the step at the same time as harry). so our key fwds are potentially 5-7 years off being "difference makers", but obviously players progress at different rates so it's not a guarantee. that's if 2 of them do turn out to be stars which there's a chance that doesn't happen. plus we'd need the umpires to have a change of heart towards our players...

curnow:



mckay:

 

[prodigy]

I feel like we win a final before Essendon do.

 

[_RT_]

For me it's the following.

1. Ask Yze when he truly believes the club can play finals again and how he sees us achieving that goal. He might mention in the media as part of PR that we're hoping to play finals this year, but it would be an incredible turn around to go from 2 wins to 14+ in 1 summer with the upheaval we've gone through this off season.

2. Give him the off field support that best allows him to implement the game plan and structures that he wants us to play with. We've brought back Caracella, promoted Morris & upgraded our fitness boss. That's a solid start to turning things around, but we can't rest on that. We should be investigating every possible angle to get the best support around Yze as possible.

3. Give him assurances that he'll have the full amount of time to implement those plans and not get spooked by outside noise and demands. We all remember Gale giving his blueprint back in 2010 and then the whole club buying in. Even in 2016 when things went pear shaped, the club stood by Hardwick and with some slight adjustments turned into the powerhouse we became. No need to change that approach this time, unless things went horribly wrong.

4. Once the plan is in place stick to it and don't go chasing short term results to ease pressure from impatient supporters/media. As above put the plan in place and then stick to the process regardless of the outside noise, especially from the media, which then fuels the fan pressure.

5. Continual improvement across the playing group. Wins & losses shouldn't come into it for the next 2 seasons as far as I'm concerned, especially if we're looking to develop 3/4 of the next premiership side given we have 31 players with under 50 games on our list heading into 2025. I've seen a lot of best 23s with most/all 8 draftees being starters. Probably a good idea to ease up on the expectations that all 8 will become best 23 players in 2025. IMO we'll likely see no more than 5 of them debut this year, Smillie and Lalor hopefully get their shot early on, Hotton probably 2nd half of the year and probably see 2 of the KPPs getting a gig as the year unfolds if form warrants.

6. Big picture focus. It will be very easy to get caught up in the hype if we were to start the season with promising performances, maybe even winning the odd game nobody expects and start to think that we can do a Collingwood or GWS and go from bottom of the pile to contenders in a season, but more often than not that doesn't happen. If that happens I hope we don't take our eyes off the long term goals, which for me is repeating something similar to 2017-2020 in the latter part of this decade/early part of the 2030s.

IMO we're a bottom 2 certainty in 2025 and still bottom 6 in 2026. From 2027 I expect us to be knocking on the door of the 8.

Trust the process

 

[Karp3_dm]

Just stand outside AFL head quarters with a Richmond scarf on pants down, ass up

Guaranteed to get ****ed

 

[DickieKnee]

Like you, neither worried nor have a clue about how many games we win next season. It's all about the C word - competitive! Not making up numbers, but counting the number of times we win contests throughout every game. It will be a contest to contest season and as that ratio improves, start thinking finals again for the experience.

Richmond had to play 3 seasons making the 8, then we didn't, before being premiership material. For history to repeat, that places us at least 6-7 years away. We've drafted better, perhaps, but we lost talent and experience to do it. Not sure that guarantees a better bounce.

And in 2017 our stars were 25 years old plus. Which means the new recruits will have 7 years plus until their peak. People saying we will win a flag in 2 or 3 years are absolutely dreaming.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Can you tell me what will happen to me in 2-6 years too please?

You’ll still be a gimp but that’s ok it’s all about consistency

 

[Phar Ace]

For me it's the following.

1. Ask Yze when he truly believes the club can play finals again and how he sees us achieving that goal. He might mention in the media as part of PR that we're hoping to play finals this year, but it would be an incredible turn around to go from 2 wins to 14+ in 1 summer with the upheaval we've gone through this off season.

Any coach of any team with any credibility at all will sell the possibilities to the playing group or they may as well get an AI screen to coach them. Every team has to have finals as their ambition, else why play at the elite level. Fun is not enough at that level, credibility isn't either. It's wins, progress and the intention to play finals until it is mathematically no longer possible. It's not negotiable, until it has to be!

 

[_RT_]

Any coach of any team with any credibility at all will sell the possibilities to the playing group or they may as well get an AI screen to coach them. Every team has to have finals as their ambition, else why play at the elite level. Fun is not enough at that level, credibility isn't either. It's wins, progress and the intention to play finals until it is mathematically no longer possible. It's not negotiable, until it has to be!

You always have the aim to play finals, but you can't be ignorant to the current situation regarding the position of the list.

Which is why I suggested Yze presents to the board and gives them a clear picture of where he truly expects the club to be ladder wise, at least then everyone is on the same page iinternally and it removes any pressure for results and allows the focus to be where it should be and that is the development of the players and game plan that will take us to the finals and beyond.

 

[terrybull]

D.Rioli to come back just in time to captain our 2029 and 2030 Premiership flags.

 

[tiger_tough]

D.Rioli to come back just in time to captain our 2029 and 2030 Premiership flags.

Nah.....**** him. Little rat.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

You’ll still be a gimp but that’s ok it’s all about consistency

rude but probably accurate

 

[Phar Ace]

You always have the aim to play finals, but you can't be ignorant to the current situation regarding the position of the list.

Which is why I suggested Yze presents to the board and gives them a clear picture of where he truly expects the club to be ladder wise, at least then everyone is on the same page iinternally and it removes any pressure for results and allows the focus to be where it should be and that is the development of the players and game plan that will take us to the finals and beyond.

Ahhh, so you are now saying that has to be secret Board business.

 

[Cdog71]

Its going to be a balancing act developing players confidence and their skill sets while we aren’t winning many games next couple of years.
We’ve got Leaders (exp players who inspire and get around others) in the Back 6 with Broad, Vlaustin, Balta.
Which is good because we’re going to concede alotve goals.
What Id like to see:

Last season we had a total score 1505 points and 63.7%. Ave 65 pts
The lowest in the comp.
Nth 1619, West C 1594.

I want to see us ave over 70 points a game.
Lynch would have to not get suspended or miss more than 4-5 games for that.
I still think players who can win the own ball are the best players and our Cont Poss total was bottom two.
We had the lowest Tackle total for the comp. I’d really like to see some of those new kids play with a bit of the Mansell junkyard dog competitiveness.
I get it alotve tackles are around stoppage and we lost a lot in injuries and retirements in our Mids for this season but if they’re going to play Dow and he doesn’t get the ball and he doesn’t tackle he’s got to get outve there and we roll new kids through.
The only stats where we were competitive was H/O.
We’ve lost our free-wheeling Back flanker in Rioli, like others have said that’s prime real-estate.
I’d like to see us experiment with players and see what happens.
Id like to see Sonsie get a run there, hopefully he gets his confidence up and gets creative. I think he’s got all the skills to be really good it just hasn’t clicked for him.
But mostly I just want to hear the song next year.

 

[_RT_]

Ahhh, so you are now saying that has to be secret Board business.

Never suggested otherwise

 

[richard parker]

Grabbed Jack, Trent and dusty in 2006-9 then made finals in 2013...so seven years from now we should make finals then be in contention a few years after that. So could be a genuine contender around 2033-34. Can we build quicker this time? Should do...I'm thinking finals but not genuine flag chance by 2028 or 2029. Could be slightly quicker or much much longer, who knows, so many variables.

we don't have academies or any real competitive advantage as far as I can see, apart from one of the larger supporter bases, so it's a long climb back to the top that can only be achieved by being elite in player development and club culture. might take a while.

For mine the secret ingredient for our dynasty was the game plan and how long it took for it to be taken seriously. Blair recently spoke about the importance of projecting future trends of the game accurately as it feeds into drafting/trading and player development. During the 37 years of pain we always seemed to follow the leader and lag behind in everything we did.

 

[Madtiger2006]

D.Rioli to come back just in time to captain our 2029 and 2030 Premiership flags.

He didn’t want to a part of the new tigers lol. He can watch from the stands

 

[tiger_tough]

Grabbed Jack, Trent and dusty in 2006-9 then made finals in 2013...so seven years from now we should make finals then be in contention a few years after that. So could be a genuine contender around 2033-34. Can we build quicker this time? Should do...I'm thinking finals but not genuine flag chance by 2028 or 2029. Could be slightly quicker or much much longer, who knows, so many variables.

we don't have academies or any real competitive advantage as far as I can see, apart from one of the larger supporter bases, so it's a long climb back to the top that can only be achieved by being elite in player development and club culture. might take a while.

For mine the secret ingredient for our dynasty was the game plan and how long it took for it to be taken seriously. Blair recently spoke about the importance of projecting future trends of the game accurately as it feeds into drafting/trading and player development. During the 37 years of pain we always seemed to follow the leader and lag behind in everything we did.

We should be able to shoot up faster than that. Look at Hawks this year. They last made finals in 2018 (us 2022), bottomed out 3 years later (us 2 years) and were a bees dick off a prelim 3 years after that. We did hit the draft alot harder than Hawks ever did though. Once a bunch of these kids have 50 odd games into them we should be back contending for the top 8. 3-4 years IMO.

Plus being a big Vic destination club we should be able to attract some decent free agents to hurry things up a little too.

 

[richard parker]

We should be able to shoot up faster than that. Look at Hawks this year. They last made finals in 2018 (us 2022), bottomed out 3 years later (us 2 years) and were a bees dick off a prelim 3 years after that. We did hit the draft alot harder than Hawks ever did though. Once a bunch of these kids have 50 odd games into them we should be back contending for the top 8. 3-4 years IMO.

Plus being a big Vic destination club we should be able to attract some decent free agents to hurry things up a little too.

Definitely a possibility but that's best case scenario. There's lots of other potential outcomes and timeframes. I'm going to keep my expectations mid-level and not too high because I will get too frustrated otherwise. I found that 2012-16 period infuriating at times but maybe it's just part of the development process. I'm bracing myself just in case.

 

[terrybull]

He didn’t want to a part of the new tigers lol. He can watch from the stands

He’s a Tiger at heart…. just needs to get over his father… err Hardwick issues…

 

[BF Tiger]

I want us playing finals by 2028, but I think it is unlikely. 2029 we need to be up and about.

 

[Phar Ace]

Grabbed Jack, Trent and dusty in 2006-9 then made finals in 2013...so seven years from now we should make finals then be in contention a few years after that. So could be a genuine contender around 2033-34. Can we build quicker this time? Should do...I'm thinking finals but not genuine flag chance by 2028 or 2029. Could be slightly quicker or much much longer, who knows, so many variables.

we don't have academies or any real competitive advantage as far as I can see, apart from one of the larger supporter bases, so it's a long climb back to the top that can only be achieved by being elite in player development and club culture. might take a while.

For mine the secret ingredient for our dynasty was the game plan and how long it took for it to be taken seriously. Blair recently spoke about the importance of projecting future trends of the game accurately as it feeds into drafting/trading and player development. During the 37 years of pain we always seemed to follow the leader and lag behind in everything we did.

Games plans come and go, what made the real difference back then was a complete and utter buy in to everything Richmond - they coined the Richmond Man. We still have a lot to thank Trent Cotchin for!

 

[Noidnadroj]

Felt like 2024 wasn't rock bottom until post trade period.

Now the healing can begin, so although we were at the bottom of the ladder, we were feeling the effects of poor decisions made by Dimma the prior few years.

IMO, 2025 is the first year, with 2023 and 2024 real wasted ones.

There’s a real misconception that our rebuild only started end of 2024.

From 2021-2024 we’ve brought 32 new players into the club via trades and all the various drafts.

28 of those 32 remain on the list. So of the 24 new players we brought in from 2021-23, 20 of them remain on the list. 14 of those will be under 23yo R1 2025.

That’s a massive list turnover that started 4-years ago.

People spend too long listening to media garbage about ‘trading our future for TT and Hopper’ … the SAME year we traded for TT and Hopper, we brought in : J Bauer, K Smith, Green, Seth Campbell and Tyler Young.

We gave away a F1 for Hopper, but that year we brought in Fawcett, McAuliffe and Tresize.

And a really high number of these talented youngsters haven’t played as much as we’d have liked due to injuries : Smith, Green, Lefau, Clarke, Brown, Gibcus, Banks, Young plus maybe a couple of others would have played a lot more without regular injury layoffs.

Our resurgence will depend as much on what these 20 new players from 2021-23 bring than what we get from the 2024 eight.

And I guarantee come 2026 we will have a greater number of high quality players on our list from these 20 than we get from the 2024 eight…. and that’s super exciting.

So don’t believe the rebuild hasn’t been quietly going on since 2021. It just hasn’t been in plain sight.

When players like Campbell, Tresize, Bauer, Banks, Gibcus and Brown make their mark across 2025-26 it’ll all make sense.



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[Noidnadroj]

I’d like us to be a serious contender by 2030. 6 x 1st round picks in reality is the equivalent to 4 drafts.

Here’s hoping we’ve picked the right guys.

If we’ve picked well in 2024 we should be a serious contender from 2028 at the latest - in 2028 our 2 x top-5 picks from 2025 will be into their third season…. that’s 2025 Scheezel, Cadman, Ashcroft.

Our ‘2024 eight’ will be into their 4th season : that’s potentially S Darcy, JHF, Callaghan, Daicos….

I’d be disappointed if we are not contending for finals or playing finals in 2027, then seriously contending from 2028 onwards.

If we aren’t it’ll mean we’ve botched too many of our 2024 and 2025 pointy end draft picks.


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