Play Nice Derailed, (The Place to Continue Off-Topic Discussion)

Remove this Banner Ad

Log in to remove this ad.

Fat Jesus said:
As far as countries go. The US is the biggest shithole on earth.
Click to expand...
Why would you say that. I've been there twice and it's probably the prettiest country I've been to. It's national parks and wilderness areas are spectacular. The people are very friendly and the shit government is gone. Politically they might be shit but everything else is fine. All countries have their problems, especially when you take into account the size of the population.
 
manicpie said:
Why would you say that. I've been there twice and it's probably the prettiest country I've been to. It's national parks and wilderness areas are spectacular. The people are very friendly and the shit government is gone. Politically they might be shit but everything else is fine. All countries have their problems, especially when you take into account the size of the population.
Click to expand...
Guns, muggings. Homeless, drugs. Worse than anywhere else.
 
Fat Jesus said:
Guns, muggings. Homeless, drugs. Worse than anywhere else.
Click to expand...
We have that here and you have that there. It's a great country. I'm going back to Florida later in the year. The crime rate is better than all of South and Central America. Lower than most of Europe and no where near the crime rate of the countries in the Sub Continent. Those are the countries you're comparing them to.
 
manicpie said:
We have that here and you have that there. It's a great country. I'm going back to Florida later in the year. The crime rate is better than all of South and Central America. Lower than most of Europe and no where near the crime rate of the countries in the Sub Continent. Those are the countries you're comparing them to.
Click to expand...
USA ranked 21st - "very high" - plenty of places behind it - and yes these measures have their faults....

Ranked: World's Best Countries to Live in for Quality of Life (2024 Report) - CEOWORLD magazine https://search.app/2cJusvUM3i25rS29A
 
NMBB said:
USA ranked 21st - "very high" - plenty of places behind it - and yes these measures have their faults....

Ranked: World's Best Countries to Live in for Quality of Life (2024 Report) - CEOWORLD magazine https://search.app/2cJusvUM3i25rS29A
Click to expand...
If you look at the size of the population on that list then the USA is doing pretty well. The top countries have very small populations compared to America.
 
manicpie said:
If you look at the size of the population on that list then the USA is doing pretty well. The top countries have very small populations compared to America.
Click to expand...
US is easy to criticise - it's loud, noisy etc but because of its size also shouldn't generalise - still a lot of good stuff there - universities, literary scene, ranks at or near the top for innovation


Crime Index by Country 2025 https://search.app/aiigeYWXX1o2nSWi8
 
US is one of the most grotesquely unequal places in the world. Their governments have shamelessly funneled the wealth of the nation to the richest among them, leaving millions with a day-to-day struggle for survival.

Medical procedures we take for granted are enough to cause a permanent downward shift in a family's fortunes.

It's adherence to the rule of the gun and the rights of gun owners is a mockery of common sense and humanity. Gun violence has become normalised, a sure sign of a sick society.

New York is my favourite place in the world, and the US remains a mecca of our consumer and corporate world, but much of it is a dumpster fire.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

JB1975 said:
US is one of the most grotesquely unequal places in the world. Their governments have shamelessly funneled the wealth of the nation to the richest among them, leaving millions with a day-to-day struggle for survival.

Medical procedures we take for granted are enough to cause a permanent downward shift in a family's fortunes.

It's adherence to the rule of the gun and the rights of gun owners is a mockery of common sense and humanity. Gun violence has become normalised, a sure sign of a sick society.

New York is my favourite place in the world, and the US remains a mecca of our consumer and corporate world, but much of it is a dumpster fire.
Click to expand...
US not right at the top of income inequality

Wealth Inequality by Country 2024 https://search.app/4QVon7QWFpxwESEMA

Yes - the US has some deep seated problems ...
 
Last edited:
NMBB said:
OECD stats different to world stats

School shootings ... 😯😯
Click to expand...

You'd suggest that OECD provide a list of 'comparable' countries, and the US is lagging.

The point is that it generates more wealth than any other country and is a horror show in the distribution of wealth.

Trump is a rather large symptom of that sickness.
 
JB1975 said:
US is one of the most grotesquely unequal places in the world. Their governments have shamelessly funneled the wealth of the nation to the richest among them, leaving millions with a day-to-day struggle for survival.

Medical procedures we take for granted are enough to cause a permanent downward shift in a family's fortunes.

It's adherence to the rule of the gun and the rights of gun owners is a mockery of common sense and humanity. Gun violence has become normalised, a sure sign of a sick society.

New York is my favourite place in the world, and the US remains a mecca of our consumer and corporate world, but much of it is a dumpster fire.
Click to expand...

I think these things are poor in the US considering the US's wealth and thus how much there is to go around, but not if you're looking at them compared to the various countries of the world. They're all standard and exist to an enormous degree in a large number of countries - a huge number of people.
 
sr36 said:
I think these things are poor in the US considering the US's wealth and thus how much there is to go around, but not if you're looking at them compared to the various countries of the world. They're all standard and exist to an enormous degree in a large number of countries - a huge number of people.
Click to expand...

Plenty of evidence to show the declining value of US wages, and the struggle of full-time workers to get by.

The Democrats have taken these struggles for granted for decades and Trump is a consequence.
 
JB1975 said:
Plenty of evidence to show the declining value of US wages, and the struggle of full-time workers to get by.

The Democrats have taken these struggles for granted for decades and Trump is a consequence.
Click to expand...

Where you're placing the States on equality measure have some merit compared to other OECD countries, but still very exaggerated - particularly when you look at the central/South American members. And it's a long way off if looking beyond OECD countries. Australia is chasing the US in terms of inequality in terms of wages, health and education and shifting further away from the Scandinavian standard bearers.

I think the US economic approach - not correcting the limitations of capitalism - is a disgrace, but that's a seperate issue to claims of where they sit in this regard within the entire international community rather than just Europe, Oceania and America.
 
Last edited:
sr36 said:
Where you're placing the States on equality measure have some merit compared to other OECD countries, but still very exaggerated - particularly when you look at the central/South American members. And it's a long way off if looking beyond OECD countries. Australia is chasing the US in terms of inequality in terms of wages, health and education and shifting further away from the Scandinavian standard bearers.

I think the US economic approach - not correcting the limitations of capitalism - is a disgrace, but that's a seperate issue to claims of where they sit in this regard within the entire international community rather than just Europe, Oceania and America.
Click to expand...

I'm not too sure what you're trying to say.

I showed a graph based on OECD data which illustrates the crappiness of the US in wealth distribution.

There are plenty of other indicators of this.

I'm happy to sit on this point.
 
sr36 said:
Where you're placing the States on equality measure have some merit compared to other OECD countries, but still very exaggerated - particularly when you look at the central/South American members. And it's a long way off if looking beyond OECD countries. Australia is chasing the US in terms of inequality in terms of wages, health and education and shifting further away from the Scandinavian standard bearers.

I think the US economic approach - not correcting the limitations of capitalism - is a disgrace, but that's a seperate issue to claims of where they sit in this regard within the entire international community rather than just Europe, Oceania and America.
Click to expand...
Pick the lens through which you wish to examine that complicated beast - the US economy - it's by no means perfect.

New Report Ranks The Best Countries For Quality Of Life, Business And More

What are the best countries in the world? A new report from U.S. News & World Report has the answers. (And you won't believe where the U.S. ranked.)
search.app
 
JB1975 said:
I'm not too sure what you're trying to say.

I showed a graph based on OECD data which illustrates the crappiness of the US in wealth distribution.

There are plenty of other indicators of this.

I'm happy to sit on this point.
Click to expand...

Yeah it's appalling, but inequality is usually measured in income rather than wealth distribution as it has a bigger impact on living standards and the things you referenced like: day to day struggle for survival, long term impact of health expenses- They're not bottom of the OECD pack in measures of income inequality. And that's just OECD countries. Miles from it if including countries outside the OECD, which is what was being discussed.

I'm just suggesting that your claims were hyperbolic. There's a lot to dislike about the American economy, but in terms of places to live on a global perspective, it's not how you described it.

"US is one of the most grotesquely unequal places in the world"
Nah, here's a more realistic measure:

71st out of 169 on this list.

World Inequality Ranking By Country 2022 - Global Finance Magazine

COVID-19 spread around the world and made existing inequalities worse.
gfmag.com

This one orders them by equality and has them 67th most equal out of 156

Inequality Rankings by Country | 2024 | Rankings | Inequality

The World Economics Inequality Index is on a scale of 0-100, a high value indicates a more egalitarian society - and a low value suggests a lot of the national income is in the hands of very few depending upon the unit of measurement.
www.worldeconomics.com

They're a midtable team in terms of equality. Uninth States of America
 
Last edited:
sr36 said:
Yeah it's appalling, but inequality is usually measured in income rather than wealth distribution as it has a bigger impact on living standards and the things you referenced like: day to day struggle for survival, long term impact of health expenses- They're not bottom of the OECD pack in measures of income inequality. And that's just OECD countries. Miles from it if including countries outside the OECD, which is what was being discussed.

I'm just suggesting that your claims were hyperbolic. There's a lot to dislike about the American economy, but in terms of places to live on a global perspective, it's not how you described it.

"US is one of the most grotesquely unequal places in the world"
Nah, here's a more realistic measure:

71st out of 169 on this list.

World Inequality Ranking By Country 2022 - Global Finance Magazine

COVID-19 spread around the world and made existing inequalities worse.
gfmag.com

This one orders them by equality and has them 67th most equal out of 156

Inequality Rankings by Country | 2024 | Rankings | Inequality

The World Economics Inequality Index is on a scale of 0-100, a high value indicates a more egalitarian society - and a low value suggests a lot of the national income is in the hands of very few depending upon the unit of measurement.
www.worldeconomics.com

They're a midtable team in terms of equality. Uninth States of America
Click to expand...

I'm still not sure what you're arguing. That the US isn't unequal?

Wealth inequality is higher there than in almost any other developed country.

Even the chart you've linked puts the US in a worse position than shining lights such as Georgia, Philippines, and Somalia.

It's a simple fact which doesn't need to be made too complicated. The US is an unequal country where opportunity is getting harder to come by.

Averaging $51,000 in wealth, the bottom 50% make up the lowest share, accounting for 3% of the wealth distribution in America. Income growth across this bracket has increased by over 10% between 2020 and 2022, higher than all other brackets aside from the top 1%.

Overall, the top 10% richest own more than the bottom 90% combined, with $95 trillion in wealth.

Visualizing Wealth Distribution in America (1990-2023)

Wealth distribution in America is becoming increasingly unequal, with the wealth held by the top 0.1% reaching its highest level on record.
www.visualcapitalist.com
 
Last edited:

Remove this Banner Ad

Play Nice Derailed, (The Place to Continue Off-Topic Discussion)


Write your reply...

Similar threads

magpielicious
Membership Rip Off
2
Replies
44
Views
1K
ElliottsMaggies
ElliottsMaggies
TradeDraft
News VPN'S = Total Rip Off?
Replies
7
Views
223
TradeDraft
TradeDraft
Cousin of Daicos
General Ticketing Thread (Post all general ticketing discussion/woes/sale/trade here)
2
Replies
36
Views
1K
caloschwaby
caloschwaby
Exambolor
Autopsy Collingwood Past Trades Circular Discussion
2
Replies
32
Views
2K
Jelly Bean
Jelly Bean
The Phantom
Injury The Concussion Discussion.
Replies
12
Views
903
The Royal Sampler
The Royal Sampler
Matt_352
Best place to get a Pies tattoo?
Replies
5
Views
675
Gone Critical
Gone Critical
76woodenspooners
Opinion 2024 Leadership discussion
Replies
4
Views
653
caloschwaby
caloschwaby

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top