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Its an above average draft as theres more talls than usual and both vic teams were strong

My update - Season tickets are already gone. Keeping 1 non ticketed membership.

I really wanted Perryman. Disappointing

Its just postering. If they really want him they’ll offer better

Yuck

Been very good for a long time, good luck to them

When did Callum AhChee turn into GAJ?

game over

2024 trade period hasn't even started so shouldn't be included yet. You said we haven't complied, as it currently stands that is incorrect.

Its more of a guideline than a hard rule (Hawthorn and Geelong have both gone 4 years without drafting 2 firsts in the past). Plus weve used 2 firsts in the last 4 years

Oh no

Good at his best, went on too long.

6 and a future 2nd for 11, 23, 30 & 49 was the trade. We had 1 first to start the trade period (the Butters pick). We got a second 1st for Wingard (The Duursma pick). We got a 3rd first for Polec/Pittard which we then used to upgrade up to 5 by trading in a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Its been that for 30 years. Its now refined to a specific type of midfielders award

I’d say theres a 1% chance of us getting two firsts. We’ll accept a first and probably an upgrade of second rounders, something like that

Thats not entirely accurate. We got 11 for Polec/Pittard which we upgraded to 6 and then upgraded to 5. Technically we gave up Polec/Pittard and a coiple of 2nd and 3rd rounders to get to 5

Smilie all day

Hes probably better than all those 3 combined really

Ivan Loldo

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Theres a fair bit of recency bias going on i reckon. Boak at his peak was only behind Gray as our best afl midfielder and his 2013 was only behind Treds as the best captains year in our afl era

Its not about stability or meandering along, its about knowing that filling your list with a dozen picks in the 70s and 80s isn't going to give us the neccessary talent or depth to compete.

Culling half your list in such a short space of time is a sure fire way to see us plummet down the ladder and likely not have acceptable replacements to ensure a successful rebuild.

And just on this point, we are more likely to see players look elsewhere if in 2-3-4 years time we still have Hinkley and still haven't made a GF. Players will look to leave for success. In the end every coach has an end point. Hinkley is nearly 60, he hasn't made a GF, he's been coaching...

At what point does simply making up the numbers not become acceptable anymore? As a Hawthorn supporter would you be happy if Mitchell does not develop the results of the team any further than what we saw this year? How long would you accept being a finals also ran before you want change? In...

The line of thought that there would be an exodus if Hinkley is removed as coach is just so flawed. When has that ever happened?

There should be no fear in finishing 10th/having a bad season if that result leads to a change in game plan, staff or both.

Now tonight was two actual brave teams going at it Ken, take note

I'd probably go something like this: F: SPP, Lord, Rioli HF: DBJ, Georgiades, Rozee C: Sinn, Wines, J Burgoyne HB: Jones, Aliir, Farrell B: L Evans, BZT, Bergman R: Sweet, Butters, JHF I: Finlayson, Drew, Mead, Lorenz SUB: Anastas EMG: Rat, Soldo, Burton

I disagree on the burst speed. He doesn't suit our forward line the way we play. It's quite possible he doesn't suit any forward line tbh, but, I think he does have the speed to play in an open forward line. Probably still wouldn't work though. It's hard to see what to do with him next year.