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WC were blessed to have Cuz, Judd and Kerr all flying from 2003-07. All different types of mids, that complimented each other too. Cuz the gut running endurance star - winning MVP, Brownlow in 2005 and 2 BnFs Kerr the balanced clean inside star - with 3 consecutive top 3 brownlow votes Judd...

Yeah 4 goals, a GA and most score involvements on the ground. But as MR will tell us, Dusty was 3x better then that in 2017 GF and 2x better in 2019 GF. Coz playa ratings. 🤔 Why would Pies fans be posting about the consistently brilliant Sloane for? Player Ratings adopts a different...

Bobby - 12.9 Pendles had most disposals and CP in Q4 as he delivered a flag, and had a rating of 14.4. Player ratings are never wrong, MR has proven that. Dusty's 2017 norm smith performance was almost 3x more impactful than Bobby Hill's game. Just imagine if Dusty had been able to impact...

Straight line runner as opposed to an indirect runner? Yep, Selwood was that good he was straight into the guts as a kid and was too important and impactful to play anywhere else. Player ratings, coaches votes, and brownlow votes have all spoken not much splits Dusty and Selwood.

Just throw em a bone and give them Acres. If had to add one for a 2025 Supercoach team you would go Acres I reckon. Carlton as a team have been 2nd, 3rd and 6th in supercoach team rating under Voss. Pies usually below league average under Fly in same period Carlton have more stats, but not as...

Way too many hypotheticals in that. The fact that Melbourne floundered with Watts, Scully and Trengrove from 08/09 drafts meant they were back at the bottom again in 13/14 which allowed them to get Trac, Brayshaw and Oliver. Take Dusty instead of Trengrove, and they may have built a bit and...

He is in the discussion sure. I don't think it is. Majority of players never make it to winning league awards etc., being in top 5-10 etc. Dusty got to that level, but didn't sustain it for as long as guys like GAJ, Danger, Pendles and Bont have/did. Ranking him alongside Joel Selwood is...

Yes. It has been acknowledged. Nobody needs another stream of player ratings to help support it. I'm not an old bloke so don't go back that far. And awards like Norm Smith / Gary Ayers are only recent, so no real way of validating. Yeah as that would be a GOAT comparison, Dusty doesn't...

When talking GOATs you don't need qualifiers and to be selective in relation to who you compare against. Plenty of the HOF legends who are in GOAT discussions were mid-forwards. Skilton, KB, Lethal, Hutchinson, Reynolds, Bunton and Ebert were rovers/mids who also pushed forward and won club...

But according to how Noid assessed the GF he was rubbish. Neale only had 1 combined goal and assist in the GF, his scoreboard impact was down 33% from H&A figures. Disregard that Neale had most disposals, CPs, i50s, clearances and score launches for the Lions. His scoreboard impact was down 33%

Especially in 2019 when it was Prestia, Cotch and Edwards doing the heavy lifting in the middle. Dusty avg 1 tackle and 9 pressure acts in the 2019 finals. Prestia avg 6 tackles and 27 pressure acts. Might be a bit easier to impact the scoreboard when only working one way.

Your parroting of player ratings has converted me. Reckon they nail it Dusty grouped alongside a great like Selwood, just below Kennedy, Gawn and Sloane. Selwood career avg of 14.32 Dusty career avg of 14.35 Sloane career avg of 14.51 Josh Kennedy (Sydney) avg of 14.52 Max Gawn avg of...

Pointing that he is inconsistent and has a flat bit and then hot streaks points to why his player ratings are nothing special and he has only won 2 BnFs. But yes, the MR approach is to ignore the full picture and just isolate the good bits. 🤣

That is pumping up Pendles. Coming 2nd to a red hot Dane Swan (and actually beating him when Swan won a brownlow in 2011) is again highlighting how good Pendles was fecking 15 years ago. Be good if he was really impactful for more than 4 full seasons and a few finals series. Yeah 5 BnFs is...

LoL - undisputed, unanimous you Dusty Tuggers love hyperbole. Please, he has 3 norm smiths and 3 Gary Ayers medals which elevates his standing. He has never been the best player in the game outside of 2017, he has only been the best player at Richmond in two seasons for fecks sake (and they...

Pendles even in his last two seasons he has got votes for Norm Smith and has similar player ratings to McCluggage and Dusty circa 2015-16. Sure is down from his 2010-16 peak, but 5th and 6th in BnF and player ratings of 13 are great for most players. Hugh is a consistent solid clubman. Don't...

According to player ratings he was. You know how MR loves informing everyone how player ratings are the best measure of impact on games, and Dusty is unrivaled in terms of impact on finals according to player ratings. Well the exact same ratings confirm Sloane had a better overall career...

"Form" player 🤣🤣 Having a good month in August isn't more important than having a good month in June. 2017 was the only season where Dusty was judged the best player by coaches and umpires, and reflected in your precious player ratings. Outside of that he had a couple of top 10 years, but...

Most of GAJ and Buddy's best finals occurred before your player ratings even started in 2012. Buddy kicking 7 in an EF in 2007 or 8 in 2008 QF don't have a "player ratings". GAJ having multiple 34 and 2 goals finals, and a 40 disposal final were also before "player ratings". He doesn't, if...

Hardly hard yards. Instead of ignoring 95% of Dusty's career you just include it all. But if isolating to just the 2010s finals, like MR loves to do, Dusty is clearly the best performed player. Overall career he doesn't measure up. GAJ and Buddy are the only two players (who debuted in 21st...

They really are just another supercoach. A different algorithm and weighting to try and reflect impact on a game instead of simply being busy. MR loves em, because they show how impressive Dusty's finals were. The problem is that they also show that Dusty's career wasn't as impactful as a...

Pendles 14 top 3 BnF LoL at possibly 9🤣🤣 Yeah if you think a season where he is outside top40 of player ratings makes him unlucky. Pendles has 6AA and missed out in 15,16 and 17 despite being top6 for avg player ratings. A player rating of 11, seven Tigers were better than him that day. All...

Credibility LOL. You do realise that it is another poster who spams the thread with player ratings stats as "evidence" of his greatness. The same ratings detail that Dusty's overall career player rating average is lower than Rory Sloane (and a fair way behind the stars of recent era like GAJ...

LoL at you claiming seasons where Dusty's player ratings was only 13 as elite and a form player in the comp!? 🤣🤣 In 2015 and 2016 Dusty wasn't even a top 40 player in the league according to player ratings. Dusty only had four seasons where he was at elite level, that is solid but nowhere...

Rory Sloane (14.51) has a higher career avg player rating than Dusty (14.35). Obviously Rory was consistently better than Dusty over their careers.

Why do you keep using 'consistent' when talking averages? Averages simply take sum of output of all the set (AFL example is total disposals) and divide by the set (games played). It provides no detail on consistency. Player A 3 games - 23, 18, 10 - an avg of 17 Player B 3 games - 14, 15, 16 -...

Not hottest 3, just his three 1980 finals They are better than any finals series Dusty produced. gAZ Snr's 1989 finals were better than any of Dusty's. Dusty is the best finals player of the 2010s, and arguably Richmond's 3rd best player of the 2010s. He is well behind the real GOAT contenders.

Already gave you some earlier. KB in 1980 kicked 21 goals and had 60 disposals in 3 finals game (an avg of 20 and 7gls). KB kicked was almost 40% of Richmond's goals himself and still avg 20 disposals per game. Dusty isn't even Richmond's best finals player.

Bradman was putting up numbers that no player has come near. Dusty hasn't even put up better numbers than KB did in 1980, or GAZ did in 1989 or the Duck did in 94 etc You continuing to post numbers comparing Dusty to fellow players of the 2010s is pointless as nobody disagrees with you. Dusty...

2017, Prestia better (and Cotch depending how you value clearances and tackles as a better) mid. Cotch 21 clearances, Prestia 15, Dusty 15 Cotch 68 disposals, Prestia 80, Dusty 77 Cotch 22 tackles, Prestia 15, Dusty 10 2019, Prestia was the main mid not Dusty Prestia 19 clearances, S.Edwards...