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Yep no doubt at all. And while we're on it, how awesome was McInerny on the sidelines and during the celebrations? Talk about selfless. He looked like a kid getting presents when Fort got his medal. What a legend.

I haven't looked at any stats, but going purely by watching the game - once - I thought Fort broke even with Grundy at absolute worst. He more than did the job required for his team. Grundy, like his team, monumentally failed on the big stage.

Exactly my nomination. For exactly those reasons. The amount of hype loose defenders get who have no ability to actually defend is amazing. He was brutally exposed yesterday and not for the first time. Apart from being killed by Ah Chee, he then had the bright idea to not even bother to man up...

Fairly short odds he does that already I would have thought.

It started moving up at exactly the same time Supercoach and things of that ilk became prominent - around 2008ish. 2005 - Ben Cousins won it with 20 votes 2009 - Bartel won it with 29 votes 2011 - Swan won it with 34 votes It then regressed back slightly the next three years - all under 30 for...

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That's been going on for years though. Peter Matera nearly won it all the way back in 1994 by getting 3 votes in multiple games where his input was shall we say "minimal" (he had 3 separate games where he had 15, 14, and 14 touches as a winger = 9 votes in total). Sadly, it's not new.

That's the thing though, it isn't about who the anointed stars are, it's who has a great season. Woewodin might be always held up as an example of an average player who won it - but people forget he had a killer season that year. To modern players, I'd argue Hayden Young is far from bung...

Kelvin Templeton in 1980. In hindsight perhaps the greatest Brownlow winner of all. Played Centre half forward. Kicked 75 goals. For the team that won the wooden spoon. Yes really. Absolutely zero chance of any of that happening now.

It's the same problem Boxing had in the early days when the referee was one of the judges. Since abandoned eons ago for those very logical and sane reasons. Why footy is so bush league in how it is administered? Easy. It's run by cashed up bogan scum. Their entire life is a footy (or cricket)...

I'll never forget that. I've seen MMA fighters apply submission holds from further away. So glad we've (hopefully) seen the last of him. I bet Dusty is too.

He actually forms his own opinions and doesn't just pick the star players from each team. That alone makes him stand out. Buckley is pretty good too.

Not so much that, but think back to when the award was inaugurated. 1924. A full century ago. The game was much, much, slower. Only one umpire, who probably could make a decent fist of working out who the best player was, as there weren't nearly so many rules nor so much going on in the game...

Yeah I looked through the All Australian selection panel and the only three whose opinions I rate as independent and intelligent would be Buckley, Kane Cornes, and Pavlich. Don't respect the rest at all.

Absolutely. We saw it last night during the telecast. They talked about Daicos at least as much if not more than Cripps. Including after Cripps had won it. It was nauseating (didn't start with Daicos either to be fair, they were doing it with Dangerfield and most hilariously with Martin, when...

The middle one - AFL MVP - yes. Far from convinced about the other two anymore.

Pretty much. Maybe the Players' MVP still has merit. But it's what you get when the entire industry is such an insular boys' club. The All Australian team has been a joke for some time now, if you get 1-2 nominations, you've now got the inside running to get a lot more. Regardless of form...

Yep. Add Serong. Really like him as a player, and glad he polled well. But he didn't play well enough for 28 votes.

Gary Ablett kicked 10 goals or more TWICE in 1993 and didn't get a vote.

Yep exactly, I'll give you another example. Ablett in 2009 - had his best year for Geelong, and won by 8 votes, polling what was a then incredible 30 votes. Even though Geelong finished the season in 2nd spot, and won a lot of games, plenty of other Geelong players (rightly) got Brownlow votes...

It's the result of an incompetent footy media that worships statistics, and in particular statistics for midfielders. And mostly only star midfielders. So the umpires hear all that, absorb all that, and shock horror, only award votes to ..........star midfielders that are rammed down our throat...

Funnily enough Doug Wade did it the year before as well Round 16, 1969 - started the day on 89 goals. Kicked 11 against Footscray to finish the day on 100.

Exactly this. In quite a number of Grand finals where it was a Victorian team (not Geelong) vs an interstate one, I was mostly on the side of the interstate teams. Sole exceptions would have been 2016, 2017, and 2019 where family reasons meant I was solidly on the Dogs and Richmond.

Can't agree sorry. The Stones stupidly let Mick Taylor go, Ronnie Wood came in, and it's never been close to the same band.

Even tonight I thought Sweet looked extremely promising. Georgiades will benefit greatly from having a few less useless tall forwards getting in his way.

You take out Dixon and Ratagolea (which should have been done already), find a key defender and it's nowhere near as bad.

Yup. Some of us have long memories.

Thing is we really, really tried to make him a footballer. And for a long time persuaded ourselves he was one. But he's not.

We learned the hard way you can't pick players on sentiment in finals. And you can't - or at least shouldn't - ignore when they are obviously shot to pieces. Hinkley has done neither for both Boak and especially Dixon. Throw in Ratagolea who can't mark at this level (not up forward anyway) and...

He has tatts and a beard. And he's big. So he must be scary.* Or something. (* He's also possibly the most physically shot key forward I've ever seen.)