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a They are clearly instructed to not move the bal quickly out of defence - or anywhere else for that matter.

Yeah, confess I forgot Parfitt, who I'd have ahead of Atkins probably, though I do like Atkins. I guess at least one of my 22 will be unavailable, so hope it's not a defender and Parfitt can slot in there!

Best 22 Defenders Blicavs Stewart Kolodjashnij Taylor O'Connor Tuohy Henry Forwards Hawkins Ablett Ratugolea Miers Rohan Dahlhous Atkins Mids Selwood Kelly Dangerfield Duncan Menengola Clark Stanley 22 Constable

5. Ablett 4. Kelly 3. Selwood 2. Menzel 1. Stewart

Id like to see Ross Lyon take a little more pleasure in his work!

5 Ablett 4 Selwood 3 Kelly 2 Stewart 1 Parfitt

Agree, but worse, lack of skills with no pressure at all. There was plenty of that!

5 Stanley 4 Enright 3 Dangerfield 2 Mackie 1 Motlop

Hawthorn have loads more talent, and incredibly better skills than Richmond. What do Richmond do that allows them to repeatedly play well against hawthorn?

5 Dangerfield 4 Enright 3 Selwood 2 Smith 1 Duncan

Sure does.

5 Motlop 4 Guthrie 3 Johnson 2 Enright 1. Mackie

5. Selwood 4. Caddy 3. Kelly 2. Motlop 1. Taylor

5. Caddy 4. Motlop 3. Walker 2. Kelly 1. Guthrie

5. Caddy 4. Duncan 3. Blicavs 2. Motlop 1. Kelly

5. Duncan 4. Blicavs 3. Enright 2. Caddy 1. Gregson

Does anyone recall a better game by Duncan?

5. Duncan 4. Blicavs 3. Rivers 2. Taylor 1. Bews

Geelong are good when they a) don't kick backwards and/or sideways b) hand pass every 3rd time they think of it c) look to kick goals rather than retain possession

5. Selwood 4 Blicavs 3. Kelly 2. Gregson 1. Motlop

5. Motlop 4. Johnson 3. Blicavs 2. Guthrie 1. Bartel

5 blicavs 4 caddy 3 Taylor 2 Enright 1 Motlop - only forward who looked dangerous all night

5 Johnson 4 selwood 3 Taylor 2 Enright 1 Duncan

Nailed. However, just as Geelong lost the unlosable GF in 2008, Sydney might just do the same in 2014. But will we be playing them?

Nah. Sydney play too close for them to get away with the training night short pass drills. And have a better midfield. And a forward line that will destroys the depleted hawthorn defence. Nobody has the skills of them,though.

5 Bartel 4 Kelly 3 Hawkins 2 Selwood 1 Mackie Stokes, Guthrie, rivers, Murdoch, Duncan all better than serviceable. Sheringham looks like he's struggling to me. Varcoe was NOT THE WORST by a long shot.

Steve Johnson Hawkins Hmac Rivers Duncan

5 Selwood 4 Lonergan 3 Duncan 2 Stokes 1 Mackie Thought the skills were down tonight, with a lot of unforced errors by foot and hand. Also pretty even, so a lot of players who played well enough missed out. Varcoe, Kelly, Hawkins (very ordinary early but almost back to his best by the finish)...

5 Johnson - terrific game 4 Varcoe 3 Selwood 2 Mackie 1 Kelly - always seems to make the odd inexplicable stuff-up, but doesn't lot of great work