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We all need to stop comparing Richmond and Collingwood, both are huge, blah blah blah. Pies fans should just show up to the game. It's a cut throat final. Pies have had a great year, I would expect they would be all fit and firing to show up and enjoy some September action.

Then show up to a final Pies fans. I want to see a full stadium in finals, makes the atmosphere and the game so much better.

If pies fans are happy with an expected crowd of 68k then good on them. I know that I would be bitterly disappointed in tigers fans didn't show up for a Semi final because.... because?

Who said Melbourne are a small club? They are a success starved fan base that, much like the tigers, have amazing fans. Collingwood too have amazing fans, and there are a he'll of a lot of them, I'm just wondering where they will all be on Sat night? Surely they will be scaring the shit out of...

We don't need excuses. 91,446 crowd at our final on a Thursday night does not need excuses, just admiration

I said my guess mate and you are the one doing all the forecasting and number pulling. Were you even at the Prelim last year? If you weren't then I think you have less of an idea then people that were

We had less that 1000 people difference on a Thursday night with shit weather and were still over 90k. I call that a ripper crowd. I'm happy for the Dees to get 90k, they deserve some finals success and part of that is performing in front of a large adoring crowd. Hopefully they bring this into...

Last time I checked you could bring in visitors to MCC and AFL members. You don't think that Richmond AFL members didn't bring their Richmond friends and family

The crowd at the Richmond GWS Prelim was the most amazing thing I have ever been apart of, and my guess is that it was more like 85k Tigers supporters, 1k GWS and the rest neutral. The ground shook for most of the night. The pies should be trying to replicate that, but instead we are getting...

68,000 would be very disappointing.

No, just the ones afforded nearly every other team that has finished first and won their qualifying final. Pretty simple really.

To be fair to every team other than the team that finished first

If both these games don't get over 90k then something is wrong. Melbourne and Geelong got over 90k and there are way more Hawks supporters, especially around metro Melbourne. Collingwood have a super large membership and supporter base and should be able to somewhat replicate the cauldron...

Last year was possibly the best day of my life. I promised myself I would never go to a GF unless the tigers were in it, and I honestly thought I'd night never get to go. Was amazing. I will say the PF was better in terms of atmosphere, I could barely hear on the way home, it was that loud but...

Last year we finished 3rd so Adelaide (1st) played on the Friday night in the PF

Ok good, if Richmond beat Hawthorn, we will have Friday night for the prelim thanks :)

There is no trade off in this area. The AFL have said that the higher ranked QF winner gets to host the PF on Friday night, an extra day means a lot if we get a little injury or corky. The highest ranked team should always host the PF final earlier, otherwise why finish first?

If Richmond beat Hawthorn and don't get the Friday night prelim, then it is a joke. The team that finishes on top of the ladder at the end of the season has been afforded that right for seasons past. I'm not happy about having to play Thursday night but can understand why we have to. But I...

I suppose haha it works for the lions ;)

I hope that this is some mistake, because that is horrible hahaha I don't see why they don't use the one they use during the preseason. I for one like it.

Great thread. For me, Leo Barry's Premiership winning grab has got to be the greatest grand final moment i have witnessed in my time. It was an epic contest and i don't think i have ever been happier for an opposing team. Great Game, Great team.

I really cant wait. Extremely excited. Its good to see that Richmond and Carlton supporters still Love to hate eachother. It all comes down to this Sunday. Carlton are a boggey team for us, but imo we have had a superior year. I think the games won column proves that. We however are...

I think it is fair. Now lets just move on. I'm over all this Essendon crap. Lets talk about the things we all love about footy. Lets talk about finals!

West Coast have had some really bad luck with injury, but to lose as many games that they have at Subi is not good enough by their standards. I had them top four at the very least. They are the most disappointing side this season North would be a close second. On the flip side, I think Port...

I have to admit, even though you have been proven wrong, you had some fairly good points to make. I think that you have to have changed your mind about Rance though. He has been a really good player this season and is very under rated. Martin has also been one of our best, if not, the best of...

So why didnt you just call the thread "Collingwood to upset top four". Two of the other three bottom 4 of the 8 you have just dismissed.

I agree with this but the OP made this thread specific to Tiger supporters which is not correct. You can see why everyone is of the opinion that he is just being a sore loser

Obviously thread is a dud. Won't hear a bad word about Hardwick. Hopefully they have a statue of him enshrined at punt road in a few years as our Premiership coach that broke the worst drought our club has ever seen. Richmond need to lose this "its the coaches fault, lets sack him" mentality...

Glad im not the only one who can see that Spike McVeigh has been full of crap. He is contradicting himself and just lost my respect. I feel that he is making everyone believe robinsons story just because of how clearly biased he has been.

Don't think the bombers will lose their points. After watching Gerard on 360 last week i believe that Essendon may receive a fine or draft pick losses, but they will be unlikely to punish the players. Great Post by the way. Really well broke down and interesting.