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Do you know if the commission would need to be unanimous on guilt

Peter, for those of us who have no idea on legal matters can you give us some idea how this would proceed. Do the commissioners ask questions? Are witnesses cross examined ? Do the commission have to be unanimous on the question of guilt? How do they present the information gained from the...

Where have you been. Trigg and Chapman went to the afl to "confess". The afl then came to us and went through our books and took away our computers.

Don't you remember we went to the afl. Was that just to have a cup of tea.

I can't agree with that. The position that we are in and the delisting that happened today is because of the actions we as a club took. It has nothing to do with anyone else. The situation KT is in and the punishment he gets will be a result of his actions not anything that the AFC has done. He...

This is not Tippett's fault. It is our fault. We chose our path now we need to finish it.

If we assume that we are going to loose draft picks has anyone got any idea how they work that out. When Carlton got penalized they lost picks 1,2,31 and 34 in the first year. Plus all their picks the following year. Our first pick is 20 then 54, 83 so if we were punished by removing our first...

Well said skooby. I notice no one is commenting on your post because it does not fit with the theme here. It's tippets fault, no it's his managers fault or was it his dads. Everything that happened was in our power to control or change. It was of our doing. We will be able to move forward...

Well earlier today there was a discussion on 3rd party agreements, what makes them and the impact it will have on our punishment. I didn't see that as a hiatus. I came on here tonight to see what the discussion was about and where it had moved to. Sad I know. But it took me 20 minutes to get...

If it was something that Tippett could hold us to then we are in trouble. If the document is not legally binding (you can only hope) then we could mount an argument. Something tells me if the tippets were to get something in writing it would not be good for us.

Now if we could only get a few wickets.

Yes it was reported that the guarantee was in writing and the afl were in position of it. If that is the case then don't worry about draft tampering. This is the one that will hurt. Because for it to have happened it would have almost certainly been deliberate.

All players are allowed to sign 3rd party deals provided they do not clash with afl or club sponsors. They must also do those deals independently from the club. And they are reported to the club and afl at time of signing and are NOT included in the clubs TPP. However, the moment a club...

Good point. It is a reasonable assumption though if it was not on his contract that they would not have included it in the TPP. The thing here is that the agreement to guarantee KT monies from 3rd parties would have to have happened at the same time as he signed his contract. Otherwise he...

Sorry. What is it you don't get. Either it is a 3rd party deal or it isn't. If it isn't a :rd party deal then it has to be included in his contract and in our TPP. We didn't. We are in trouble. Forget about draft tampering the penalty there will be minor. Here we have failed to disclose in the...

Yes that is my understanding, they were lodged as 3rd party agreements. However the point you are missing is that once we guaranteed payment the agreements were no longer 3rd party agreement according to the afl rules. They had to be included in his contract and added to the TPP. True 3rd...

A 3rd party agreement is an agreement between a player and a 3rd party (Telstra) without any involvement from the clubs. Clubs are strictly forbidden from guaranteeing payments in 3rd party agreements as this would allow a club to sign players for much less than there value with added...

Whilst we will get punished, Blucher must be deregistered. KT also can not walk away untouched, I know the aflpa have been loathed to punish players in the past but these are extraordinary circumstances.

Again, it is not a 3rd party agreement once a club guarantees it. The fact that the club discloses them as 3rd party agreements to the afl would help with their argument but dosn't dissolve the club from the fact that they paid a player without declaring it. That will cost us. And Vader will...

I don't think people here understand what a 3rd party agreement is. What KT had was NOT a 3rd party agreement under afl rules. The moment a club guarantees a payment then all of that payment ( not just the shortfall) must be included in the clubs TPP. The same as the rest of his payments. I...

They would accept it because Rowie and Cornsie are full of s**t. Maybe if Sheedy or Vossy had said it we could believe it but 5aa ??

Is the 200k your estimate / newspaper reports or have the club confirmed it. Also do we know for a fact that we have not exceeded the cap. I am not aware of there being anything but reporters guessing.

If there is a guarantee then they are not A third party deal. And so need to be included in the TPP. If there was no need to disclose because we weren't over the limit. Then why would you submit any payments.

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I know what you are saying , but way too much guessing for me.

That seems to back up my argument that 800 + 800 +1.2 +1.2 would not be 1.0 +1.0 +1.2 + 1.2 Sorry wrong quote

Thanks for that. I can't see anything though that supports what you were saying though. I may do some more digging.

Can you show us where you got that info from. It is not my understanding of how it works, but happy to be corrected.

My understanding is that if you nominate a back ended deal any club wishing to pick you up need to meet the total dollars. They would not need to back end the deal, which in GWS's case would not be something they would want to do. So if KT nominated the deal that I said then GWS would be quite...