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You're right. I mean, why be supportive of Collingwood players and staff on a Collingwood Board full of Collingwood supporters when you can be the cliche edgy internet hater that everyone loves to hear piping up from the back. Must be fun to spew vitriol on an internet forum then clap along with...

Dude gives off massive Randy Quaid in Major League vibes. Hangs shit on the players, then when they play well is suddenly their number one fan.

Probably because the idea of us getting trade value for a player who was already traded for peanuts, then delisted then only picked up by us as a last minute LTI replacement, is madness.

Travis Cloke crying behind the window

The fact that one of your examples is from the early 80's, when in the last 10 years there's been Tom Boyd, Dion Prestia, Tom Lynch and James Frawley who have won a flag in their first year at a new club, suggests that we shouldn't be relying on history.

It's looking like 1 out 5 picks in the top 30 is going to be a winner and he doesn't play for us anymore! People talk about how our recent future trading is going to set the club back but I think that this draft is the one that is going to haunt us. Collingwood almost needs to keep trading in...

You can just name the player and say it's just a rumour. Dangling half stories like this is much worse

How would we have got him in 2024? Here's what his manager said: "Dover said Fremantle over the last 12 months had been aware of Schultz’s desire to get back Victoria due to personal reasons — reasons he wasn’t willing to disclose — with the goalkicking forward originally from Moama." The...

If we hadn't taken a breath and instead traded our future first in 2021, then we could have gone after someone like Dunkley. Hindsight is 20/20. Shultz was being chased by several clubs and was coming to Victoria regardless so he wouldn't have been available this year. Also pick 10 is no...

You guys do realise that this is all just rage bait and that it's achieving exactly what it's intended to do? It's the off season, no trades are happening and it's a proven fact that you can get more attention, from bad news over good news. KB did this to perfection for about 40 years.

I don't think that all the blame can be laid on Hine. The COVID affected 2020 draft is looking like a shambles. More than half of the top 20 picks that year are looking like delistings or middling journeymen at best. Problem is that we managed to perfect storm it with our salary cap explosion...

Plus Schultz after the Houston trade goes though...

All good points. But if you look at the league leaderboard for goal average, you'll see Sam Day at 13, who played 5 games at similar game time to Reef. Day has been delisted despite averaging 2.0 goals per game. I'm just not sure goals per game average is a good metric for players that only play...

Because you've hijacked the trade sub again so you can talk about the ****ing Terminator

For the sake of everyone else, you need to let this one go.

Yeah, but quickly dropping out? You're either in the running for a player or you're not. It's just a weird expression to use in trade negotiations.

How do you quickly drop out of the race in a trade?

Which was likely caused by his rampant and admitted steroid use. Bold strategy suggesting that we look for players with PED related heart conditions. Let's see how it how it pays off.

I'd rather sound like an Essendon supporter in the late 90's right before they won a premiership in 2000 and had one of the most dominant seasons in history in 2001, than whatever this outlook you're trying to spruik right now is.

It's not hubris. It's because historically Collingwood rarely finish near the bottom of the ladder. In the last 20 years we've finished bottom 4 only two times. End of 2020 the odds were just as likely for us to drop or rise a couple of spots, as shown by our meteoric rise back up a year later.

That stat is a bit misleading. Reef played 9 games, 3 as the sub, 100% of the time as a forward. In his sub games he kicked 1,1,0. For perspective, Krueger averaged 1.2 goals this year in 7 games, one of which he was subbed out at quarter time.

What it means is that some people think that if we don't negotiate a trade that's entirely beneficial to us, in the following years other clubs will annex Collingwood FC like it's Austria in 1938. Just like how Fitzroy was captured by Brisbane when the gave up Stephen Paxman without a fight. So...

Given the time of year, I'm guessing that your question about whether Ash is better than Jacob is to assess Johnson's trade value to a somewhat comparable trade last year. Taking away the Collingwood bias, what should a club pay for a 27 year old, MSD pick that has played a handful of good...

In that case, the answer to your question is No.

"Noble and Markov for pick 6". Close up shop, guys. This thread is officially done

Kositchke played 12 games in the year prior to being traded for pick 49. Ash is 3 years older and was clearly overlooked this year when we were desperate for a tall forward. I think that this one's done.

It's really easy to make blanket statements about trading future firsts without showing the full outcomes of the deals, such as the jury still being out on Schultz for pick 14*. It also doesn't take into account that in the last 10 years our record of first round drafting (excluding F/S and...