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"objective" people would agree Dow would have gone top 5 in that draft!!

I think everyone should take a deep breath regarding MM, I have no doubt the 2 parties have already agreed it will be the PP no matter if it's 12 or more, this would be orchestrated by the AFL so to debate what he is worth is a mute discussion.

You obviously failed play dough at uni those two are RFA more money looking after their financial future. Fill me in re Freo is Neale leaving? can't really see any other club interested in many of your players unless SANFL/WAFL/VFL clubs are looking for topups!!

Mate after that debacle 23 goals to 0 I would rethink your post, you are very quick to hang sh!t on bottom teams, reading a few of your posts there is no doubt you are anal re Carlton. Humour me have Gold Coast, St Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane conceded 23 goals to 0 or any other AFL team ever?? All...

My point is do not admit to cheating no matter what is on footage is (I know it is wrong), but no other player I can think of has ever admitted to cheating, ball tampering after/during a match, bottom line is for being so honest it has backfired badly. Let the ICC deal with it and we all move on.

The only thing lied about was Bancroft saying it was tape and not sandpaper the rest of the presser was admission of guilt

They admitted to cheating at the presser, if they had not everything would have been remained in house

I think we all agree ball tampering has been in the game forever, It's my belief if Smith and Bancroft had not admitted to cheating a the presser it would have been ICC problem and Bancroft would have been cited for ball tampering the same as Du Plessis and others . Cricket Australia would not...

are you bored????

Simple don't watch it!!!

Do you really believe a team that has won back to back flags that their game plan comes into question, if you had a close look at the Hawks Eagles match it was the worst effort they have displayed in a final series for years. I personally believe that the games Freo "allegedly" tanked was to...

When its all said and done Hird's brand is rat sh!t, after all this is over no one will touch him, no media outlet will even look at him - good riddance...

When this is all done and Hird & Co plus the players are not banned the bottom line is they the EFC will be always regarded as drug cheats by the wider football community

Did he?? Jobe is Essendon thru and thru I personally believe it the EFC spin doctors at work, "go on Fox Footy (On The Couch) state you are guilty of taking AOD along with other players and were duped, we will take the hit, we can afford it and you guys are free to play"

You obviously have been personally told by ASADA, AFL and WADA this is the confirmed outcome...

So humour me, if any player at your club has been injected with an illegal substance by your once "fitness gurus" what then, ignorance is no defence - good luck

You don't call in the anti doping authority to check your vitaman C, you are living in denial and yes I do agree the AFL would be impacted badly, but if all the allegations come to fruition it must be a great feeling that your club bought our great game to its knees - "get a life"

If you really think or dream you club is clean why the hell would you contact ASADA, my guess is you were advise to do so to avoid the maximum punishment a little like Adelaide fessing up over the Tippet deal. From what I understand the AFL has no powers over ASADA and what punishment is handed...

How many years after the event??

Fair dinkum mate you must be living under a rock, neither Armstrong or Cousins test positive for any substance and still got rubbed out, the point is you do not have to test positive for any substance and still get done.

Nor did Armstrong or Cousins!!!

You are dreaming mate, at a guess they had no choice...

I understand all that but if they have been using any performance enhancing drugs the penalties are far more severe than salary cap cheating or draft tampering. From memory a young East Perth player got rubbed out for 2 years last season, if it 5 or 10 player and or coaching staff it could be...

What I dont get is who or what triggered Essendon to go to the AFL & ASADA, did someone fess up, test positive or what. After watching the presser I feel there are some very worried Dons hierarchy.

Heard a whisper that another club might be under investigation for the same thing...

3 time premiership coach - your bloke???

If I remember some bloke by the name of James Hird denied he would coach when he was part of On The Couch

Freo top 4, tell em there dreaming!!!