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  1. Quolls19

    Expansion Joondalup Falcons in the AFL?

    Have posted this a while ago: How to expand the AFL, and increase revenue, and improve the game, and control transfers. Afl expansion 22 teams. Each play 22 games. 23 rounds with a bye for each side Each team plays each other once, alternating home and away, 21 games. An extra...
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    Research Small questions that don't require a whole thread

    Although it (starting in positions) had been suggested many times it was not until November 1890 it was included in the amended rules for the 1891 season.
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    No. Quolls19 said: the history of the little mark, the fors and againsts, the change in rules re distance for a mark, the change in rules “kicked to another player” and the use of hand ball in the early days,.[/QUOTEI ”are not reflected in the rules until after the fact.” they are reported...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    As i posted before, I can’t find any reference to the little kick or the big kick, do know about the goal sneak. Wills was probably the first to utilise a player away from the pack, Brownlow decades later nearly made it a science. far be it for me to be be presumptive but maybe you were...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    “What's the difference to the big kick and the "little kick"?l sorry, never come across these terms in the Australian rules resources I have examined, where did they come from?
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    I would think he meant football, I hope this helps.
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    Yes the fields were whatever was available, English school games were generally on the normally, not always, rectangular yards between school buildings. Victorian/Australian rules only became a regular cricket oval game when the cricket clubs realised they could make money out of it. Before...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    Others may not think so, and it was for interest only. If you’re not interested don’t read.
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    English, Gaelic, Koori and what about the Scottish influence? John Hope of the Edinburgh University is credited (by Scottish Authorities at least) of first non school based football club in 1824. As the actual (not copies) contemporary records still exist, there is no doubt that he did start...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    I am indifferent to your answer .
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    “playing semantics”?
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    Please explain.
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    I’m a bit of a Bryant man myself, I think all the major players. Wills, Thompson, Hammersley, Smith and a little later Sewell were all incredibly important, but I think Bryant restarted the ball rolling when it had stalled. For commercial reasons or sporting reasons, I don’t know, but he did...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Yes, the pub owner was James Bryant, an accomplished cricketer, from the (English) surrey cricket club which also had a football club at the time he was there. Bryant was an MCC member and his pub was where the MCC cricketers met and drank. May have run afoul of the licensing authority, his pubs...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    No splitting hairs, either football was played before 1858 in Victoria or the greater colony earlier, or not. and it certainly was. Not a regular weekly type of organised recreation, but certainly scratch matches and organised event games played for money. now I did say about his memory failing...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    no it isn’t. just a few examples of football related articles in the press before 1858: 26/12/1838 at Mrs Hordens. Just landed, a large assortment ...dolls... footballs....cricket bats. 17/6/1850 Border games to be held 12/8/1850 Foot-ball entrance fee five shillings ten pound to the winning...
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    Australian Football, rugby - foundations and codification

    That attitude of “Britishness” lasted a long time in diminishing degree. I can clearly remember my elder relatives referring to the “mother” country in the 1950’s and 60’s when their grandparents were not even born there. Lasted a while for some. Another rather strange thing that was said,often...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    IMO there seems to be some misunderstanding about what “codification“ means. I‘m not aware of the claim that the Melbourne football clubs rules were the first written or developed, they certainly were not, but they were the first to have a set of rules that were accepted widely And successfully...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    That’s not actually correct. There were certainly adult clubs in attendance at the meetings, but several school reps also attended. 2 of those clubs were recently formed “old boy” clubs. Schools that attended were: Kensington School, Perceval House, Blackheath Proprietary School...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    that is correct different rules for different schools. Rules often depended on the area available. Sometimes rules were changed in schools depending on the whim of the senior boys. There was a couple of attempts at inter college games at various times but the schools could not agree about which...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    References Appointment of the Melbourne Football Club Rules Committee https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201376024?searchTerm=Melbourne%20football%20club%20committee Record of Play of the Melbourne Cricket Club and selection of the Victorian side. Wray, Bryant, Wills...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    No catch and kick game. Certainly was. 3 of the members of the rules committee had direct experience with Cambridge University and here are the rules...same as the initial Melbourne rules. No but have several elements even very similar wording. Here are the original Cambridge Rules of 1848 THE...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Yes I have, you have given no proof, what you say is not proof.
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    What trolling? you bought up the teacher link and will not show any proof. I think you are a bit confused about what trolling is.
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Well, you seem to know what he was thinking, show me the proof
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Back to the subject matter. it would take a couple of disasters for Australian Rules to dominate the rugby states anytime soon. I think they are doing quite well now, far better than either Union or soccer are doing in those states, despite the soccer mum argument. swans the most popular club...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    “anti Irish“ your arguments are getting desperate now. Teachers? Only smith from scotch college, not in Bendigo at the time or before. None of the other rules committee members were teachers, 2 journalists and a professional sportsman and the host who also a professional cricketer and owned a...
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    a kick and catch game was played in many schools and places all Over England and other places, never said otherwise and certainly not all english games involved scrimmages.
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Admit! I stated, never denied it, but an Irish game of football played in a very English controlled university, you are kidding yourself.
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    Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

    Not really sure I ever said that it came out of rugby, did say it was influenced by the games the instigators played at their various english schools. and although the “pile on top of each other” scrimmages were not part of the early game for reasons I have already stated, scrimmages were...
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