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Nah, the list definitely isn't top 8 quality. We finished 8th last year, the lost got worse = not surprising I think what is missed is that we have already begun a list rebuild of sorts. Something like 16 players are gone from the 2023 list and this season we have 18 players aged 21 and under...

Great effort. Suns are a genuine top 4 team and in great form. We were missing a dozen first team players and had a super young team with 9 players aged 21 and under, and three other 23 year olds who havent cemented their spots by any means (Evans, Young, Durdin). 3 of our top 5 ranked players...

Given the personnel available in this game, what on earth would you do differently? Maybe keep Pittonet instead of O'Keefe to allow another experienced tall target. TBH, we are doing a pretty damn good job. Backline is stretched far too thin with all of Silvagni, McGovern, Kemp, O'Farrell...

We might lose this by 100 and still play well. Gold Coast are just that far ahead based on the teams out there today. They have so much talent and depth and can pick and choose from options at every spot on the ground. We are playing 4 or 5 guys we plucked out of rookie list obscurity...

This Sunday team ar terrifyingly good. Deserving top 4 after this round. They just have so much talent right across the park. Some still young and emerging but the draft concessions + academy on full display here.

How good is confident Harry McKay? It's easy to forget what has been missing all year

Also possible - that everything that the club has said is true? There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy here. Voss is our most successful coach this century, and this year despite a disappointing season it is still likely that his WORST season will equal or better the win total in every...

Deledio? Vickery? That was a 28 year old pick 1 who was arguably the best player at the club at the time, and a 26yo pick 8 who had played 120 games. TDK and SOS would be a pretty equivalent loss tbh

So it seems multiple people (here and elsewhere) have reported that the board decided to sack Voss last night, but decides to wait before making this public. That leaves only two possibilities: - the people 'reporting' this are making it up and just guessing at what happened for internet...

Yeah, that's an option (would have to see the maths on it). I was opposed to the GST when it first came in (regressive tax on everything etc) but I have to admit its simplicity and efficiency has flipped my thinking there. The politics of getting the states to agree AND getting people to...

The reason we don't have an Ed Richards on our list is entirely the problem at Carlton, and it has nothing to do with drafting. It is entirely about a lack of patience and having absolutely no appetite to provide players with the space and support to develop. Ed Richards is 26 and has just had...

For me, the unsolvable problem is stamp duty. Part of the issue with housing is that it isn't a single market. It's two markets (rental and owner occupied). Or it's 100 markets (each suburb). Or it's even sub-markets there (apartments in South Yarra Vs family houses in Toorak Vs holiday homes...

We started a MAJOR rebuild at the end of 2022 Gone since then are Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, Stocker, Carroll, Plowman, Martin, Marchbank, Fisher, Cuningham, Williamson, Philp, Honey, Durdin, McDonald, Hayes, Setterfield and Owies. That's 18 players who would now be 25-29 (ie: in the prime of...

'Getting rid of your best players' would certainly count as something other than the normal. There's probably a reason for that. What would be the closest comparison? Gold Coast losing May and Lynch (and Hall, Scrimshaw and Lyons), in the same off-season? That was 2018. They MIGHT make finals...

Absolutely brutal. HOF should have had a rising star nomination last week, was well on track to getting it this week, and instead now probably misses all of next season. To have both our two draft picks last year do ACL injuries... I feel so bad for the poor young men involved, and it is also...

Honestly, we simply aren't fit enough. The difference in everything - pressure, intensity, ball movement, even goal kicking and field kicking - from the first quarter to the last is just chalk and cheese. For some players it is about being too young and inexperienced. For some of the veterans...

I don't think we have to catastophise everything to the extent that 'the place has been decimated, the fabric destroyed, and there is no end in sight'. A lot of 'what ifs' here. More likely to me are three things that stand out to me: - SOS has never, for any length of time solidified his spot...

I agree completely on Durdin. He's 23, has played 60 games, and hasn't shown he can impact on the scoreboard, or as a ballwinner. He has one career game with more than 2 goals, and has only had four scoring shots on three occasions. Has only once hit 15 disposals in a game. He has also dropped...

I'm a bit confused by what is going on with SOS. The reporting seems to be that he had a medical at Collingwood. Why on earth would we allow a contracted player to undertake a medical with another club, with a month to go in the year, unless we were committed to that player leaving? Not just...

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree about the case for some change. Is that Voss? I probably lean towards the premise of the 'who would replace him and why would they want to coach Carlton' view, but that belongs in another thread. . My issue is with, well, the Blumours. We all love them, it...

Sadly, the Titanic didn't get to keep going after the Iceberg, limp its way to the end of its journey, then have a nice 6 month break to repair/recover and improve its crew ahead of a return journey the following year. (lets face it, the Titanic needed an upgraded game plan just as much as we...

So what? We were underdone in pre-season, and weird things happen in round 1. Well done to Richmond for taking their chance Collingwood got absolutely smoked in their first hitout by GWS, and are now the premiership favourites. Freo lost round 1 by 78 and they're going ok. It happens. In...

Nah, see this is the predictable Carlton response. "Wah, Wah, we are very slightly worse than we expected this year. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the shower curtain, all the bath toys and call in the cleaners because we are completely rebuilding this bathroom from scratch. And we're...

What is the Jagga/Dean/Walker/HOK flag window? Three of those guys have never played a game of AFL footy, and one of them won't until 2027. The only one who has is a rookie listed red-head with precisely two games under his belt. Calling that the basis of a flag window seems extraordinary...

Perhaps... if so, that's what annoys me. We can debate the merits of handing the keys to one outsider (and a Collingwood one, too...) 'go through the joint with a broom' and how likely that is to succeed at another time. Even if that is the right thing to do, it shouldn't be happening right...

Can I just say in this thread how disappointed I am that since Wright 'officially' came into the club three weeks ago, the place is leaking like sieve once again, and suddenly the Blumour thread is buzzing continually. We've got the media up in everything playing out behind the scenes - SOS is...

So many here unwilling to give our team credit, but for all the raving about Hawthorn, we lost by 4 goals and held very consistently with them after quarter time. Yes, it is the old story - one (very) bad quarter, not really able to minimise the damage, and then poor quality finishing inside...

Hawks had 6 goals from their first 13 inside 50s, and have kicked 7 from 36 inside 50s since, which is actually pretty good defending. We had 1 goal from our first 16 inside 50s (at the same point in the game as Gawthorn above), and have kicked 7 from 37 inside 50s since, which is not very good...

Only 1 point in it since quarter time. We've done well to get going after a bad start. Docherty 7 disposals, two tackles and a goal playing half forward that quarter. Are we sure he should be retiring right now? I don't understand why we don't keep him going for a (hopefully) better send off...

The guy in his first match back from a knee injury, who this year has also dealt with major mental health issues and a serious concussion, and who copped a massive hit to the ribs and had to sit out to have that assessed in this game? And who is also the 5th highest rated player on the ground...