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Highlighting subtle improvements after a 92 point belting the week before. This is Bailey/Neeld era stuff.

Shuffling deck chairs like the good old days. In a strange way I've missed them.

They won't sack him They should. But they won't.

Wow, a quick transition. With inevitable behind.

Can we drag Collingwood down to our level.

No matter what happens they won't sack the campaigner.

Could have bottled it but the lads kept their nerve. Well done. Great win.

They are right now.

Are there any definite returns for you guys next week?

How the **** is Collingwood $2.10?

Fugly is the board supports Goodwin and will for years to come.

Before this game started, Pies were paying $2.15 for the win next week. Easy money. That will shorten to about $1.50 at best after this shitfest ends.

Pies presented but Dogs stuck it out. Credit to Darcy for not going into his shell after the Maynard scuffle.

Growing in confidence, timing his separation well, clean grabs.

Dumb. Despite some luck, you still have to be competitive to be 3rd after 11 weeks. First time Carlton have beaten Port at AO. Solid 4qtr performance.

One of Carlton's better wins for the year.

How the hell does he expect his players to be disciplined when he keeps dropping the ball like this.

Sorry about that. We put the cue in the rack with 10min to go.

This year they've beaten Richmond and North and a Pies team which was still half pissed earlier this year. Not good.

What's with all these goals? Has someone abducted Goody?

Great response by Hawthorn after a very deflating loss last week.

The battle of the boring bastards.

Kozzie

That decision is just ****ing ridiculous.

Jesus, what a cop-out.

I mean quality, hence the word "trade". Problem is It isn't 'ground breaking' stuff to Goodwin. He'll wait until Viney is 33, Trac on one leg and Oliver cooked before he does anything. I agree with you in that we haven't rotated enough players in the guts over the last 2 yrs (especially...

I think you have a munted idea of what a contested ball winner is due to watching our guys for years. As an example, Butters & Rozee are contested ball winners but are quick and can use the footy. I'm not saying we need more plodders.

I said quality. If we want to move Petracca around we need another quality contested ball winner. Viney slowing up and Oliver is an unknown quantity going forward. If we're relying on those other blokes we're getting torched every week. Windsor looks promising but will take time. Pickett has...

We need to rotate some of those blokes but it's a makeshift solution to a bigger problem. I think we need to trade in a quality mid or two but given we let Jordon go I don't see it happening.

Oliver is struggling, no question, but where is the midfield depth? Our issues run much deeper than 1 mid. Goodwin has shaped the list to a very speciific game style and were very slow as a result. In the process he's also taken Gawn, Trac & Oliver for granted for far too long and neglected...