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Ok, so I'll have another go at this (different thread). Let's drop Renouf, bring in Murphy AND ... put Buddy in the ruck!!!!! I mean if Adam Goodes can do it ...

My dad wouldn't take me to the 63 grand final but in 71 I sat between wing and forward flank the end Bob Keddie was scoring and smoked a fat cigar (yuk!) at the end. I went to my first game Haw v Melb at the MCG in 64.

My provocative point about one ruckman was essentially this: is you picked the beat 22 on merit rather than team balance you'd have Murphy in ahead of Renouf. First ruck has been a perennial problem for Hawthorn and that makes second ruck even more so. One of our best ruckman, Don Scott...

Roughhead is the forward line ruckman after all. It'd be a danger in Geelong forward line stoppages if Campbell was off the ground, granted, but I don't think it means we'd be destroyed. I did ay it was radical and hoped to prompt some discussion. However, I think Renouf is a good...

How about this for a plan? Go with one ruckman, drop Renouf and bring in Murphy. I know it sounds radical, but it also sounds like our best 22.

Hawthorn supporters hated Collingwood all through the 50s when they were so strong and we were so weak because they thought it wasn't good enough for those pricks to come ad beat us fairly and squarely, they had to unfairly hit us too. So we developed a lot of spirit in those times. Being a...

I heard Barry Lawrence may becoming available again - and we missed him last time!

There is NO WAY he will not play (unless it's a two week virus or there is something we don not know). Question is, who will come out of that great side?

I saw every Peter Hudson game and every Leigh Matthews game - except when they played at Kardinia Park because it was too hard to get there. That good enough?