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Both terrible, should have taken Brayshaw at 1!

Disagree, good developer of kids in the early years, but we needed to move him on ala the Bulldogs with McCartney and get a coach with some tactical nous in. Bizarre decision to re-sign him for 2 years, never made any sense.

Can you give him back pls?

Hopefully the dons are as generous to the dogs as they were to the saints in the Carlisle trade. Carlisle + Gresham for Francis and Bird? Maybe the bombers could trade Daniher and 11 for Stringer?

Matt Burgan's 2001 phantom draft: Had the saints taking Judd, Hodge and Stevie J. Could you imagine....

There is a huge myth that forwards in a struggling team find it harder to score goals than forwards in a good team - it's just not true.

Hawks beat West Coast who beat the Saints & North, who beat GWS and the Crows. Hawks on track for another 3-peat 2017-19?

Goddard.

Which is interesting - if you go by the poll's results the saints now have the second most 'desirable' list, behind only Melbourne. So there's every chance North can turn it around very quickly.

If percentage and quarters won meant anything I'd be off celebrating the 2009 premiership right now, but unfortunately they don't.

This. At the 10 minute mark of the last term the saints lead 52 to 34 and began chipping it around - and Richmond hung their heads and obliged. Junk time with 20 minutes left to play and a margin of only 18 points. Awful, awful game of football.

That's a bit of a ridiculous statement though isn't it? Its akin to suggesting that if you take away the two wins the Dees had over Collingwood this season, the pies are an entire game ahead of Melbourne and therefore 'a tad more consistent in comparison to the competition'.

Its a bit bizarre isn't it? Tom was great last night. Looked out on his feet in the third quarter but battled on and was a huge factor in GWS not blowing the game wide open after they got a couple of goals up. Worth a million dollars? Maybe not, but if they win next week, who really cares?

Maybe to do with the fact young players don't usually play as well against good opposition?

Yeah, just forget about the part where he sold candy to the brownlow favourite to setup a crucial 3rd quarter goal and his 8 inside 50's for the night. All he did was kick that one measly goal :$:$:$:$

Pick 18, part of the Carlisle trade which we are now 100% clearly winning. The bombers have a bloke running around in the reserves and we have Jade "Superstar" Gresham winning games off his own boot, with Carlisle still to come. Huge trade win.

Good call Bailey, great call Bailey.

Is Carlton actually making any progress under Brendon Bolton? Last year they smashed us by 40 points, this year they took on a team minus Riewoldt, Dempster and Fisher and lost by 33. Facts say no, sack Bolts, start rebuild again.

Very progress. Such win. Wow.

Have they made progress? Year 1: 4 wins Year 2: 6 wins If you look at our draw, we should win at least 6 more games. So in answer to your question: Yes.

I agree. They dug themselves into this hole by mortgaging their future back in 09, and sacking their coach when they were finally getting it together, causing a mass exodus of players. They can get themselves out of this mess like every other club had to.

When are we going to stop being content with ****ing 'brave' losses? Win the goddamn game and announce yourselves! ****!

Supporter base is different to members, but he's missing the point. They are closer to Manchester City as a Premier League comparison - everything ahs been handed to them. Even if GWS hit their projected numbers in this time period, it still doesn't change how little myself or traditional...

****ING NOT ****ING 15 **** **** ****!!!!!!

Good to see Gresham kick a goal. Considering many media pundits will tell you we traded pick 5 for Carlisle as a straight swap, its nice to know that a player that doesn't actually exist is kicking goals for us.

It was in 2007 and Leigh Fisher had about 30 disposals turning it over off half back. If I recall only about 6 goals in total were kicked to 3 quarter time, and then the Hawks piled on goals in the final term.

Glad you mentioned this one because it's often forgotten, but Kosi was enormous after Gardiner went down.

In the past 10 seasons only 8 clubs have played in Grand Finals. That means there have been 20 spots available. So it could be argued there is a problem. But what is the solution?

Boo-freakin-hoo. We got shafted by Freo. You got shafted by us. It comes and goes.

I was sitting on the wing for that game. Roo would have kicked 15 that day if the chopping the arm rule existed. There were numerous occasions where Rivers went up and just crunched Roo's arms.