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AFL should just fold St Kilda. 1 flag. Noone will miss them. And it'll be a blessing in disguise for their fans as they'll need to find a new team to support. And it'll prevent the unnecessary pain for children brought up in St kilda-supporting families.

Yeah, was just poking fun at the Fox comments.

Thanks for your service Parks! All the best for the rest of your career.

Daicos is a better player than Gulden at this stage in their careers.

One is not simply defined by whether they win or lose a grand final. Or whether they capitulate in said grand final. Edit: sarcastic tone

I can't say I'd agree with that. If we'd won and those quotes came out, I would have thought it was a strange approach to go into a grand final with that mindset. Similar to the comments players were making in the lead up to the GF around what they'd learned from the last grand final, and they...

Seriously, what business does a psychologist have setting the mentality of the players. Wtf. Who allowed that to happen? Shocking

I'd also be looking at the person who hired her, the person who was responsible for ensuring the work she was doing was actually beneficial rather than detrimental. And if there was noone doing that, then the person responsible for overseeing it should take blame.

As a fan, watching that press conference with the Lions going ballistic celebrating and Horse visibly irate. Was almost poetic justice for me. Those are things the club needs to go through to really drive the point home that they failed themselves. The Lions earned the right to celebrate...

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger?

This article and a few others quoted what Fox said: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1234733/it-wont-define-us-sydney-swans-pick-up-pieces-after-another-grand-final-thumping This was the quote: 'Throughout the finals series, we did a lot of work with (sports psychologist) Emma Murray and we were...

There's a reason why Clarko put a call out to Parker. He saw value where Horse didn't. Obviously the lists are in different positions, but he saw a gun player undervalued by his club and pounced. If you think Parker playing in the 2s had nothing to do with that we're just going to have to agree...

That and it's easier to crack in when you know the consequences aren't that great and you'll live to fight another day. It's the finality of a grand final that will make the lesser-lights seize up when everything's on the line.

I think the Lions just managed to find their groove at the right time of the year. I was actually most worried about the Lions after what they did to the Giants and then the Cats to overrun them. The way they just hunted the ball and knocked it on and managed to find a spare lose. Their...

To be honest, I think a lot of that has to do with the gameplan. That gameplan set us up for failure. It was evident all season. When things were going well, everything just clicked and we looked unstoppable. But there were countless examples of us falling into a hole unable to stop teams...

People on these boards were calling for players to be rested when we were sitting on top of the ladder 3+ games clear. It never happened because we stuck with a midfield that ultimately failed, partly due to the fact that Heeney was battered. Horse's insistance on playing Parker in the 2's led...

I have absolutely no issues with Fox saying what he did. He was just being honest. I have an issue with the club thinking that messaging was appropriate for their players. I've always wondered what sort of messaging Horse sent to his players. I wondered how we could capitulate so badly in 3 of...

IMO It's not just a change or 2, it's a whole change in the ethos of the club and playing group. The game plan needs to change, and we need to get better defensively. Our do or die gameplan failed because we allowed teams to get a run on us too frequently throughout the season. That needs to be...

This is a sad sight. I hope Adams gets to win a flag with us but I can't say I have much confidence in that being the case.

Let's hope Cox puts some work in over the pre season and helps Grundy develop a couple of extra strings.

The other thing I'll add is Horse's emphasis on flexibility needs to be reigned in somewhat. We need specialists who stick to their role and their strengths are suited to the role they play. A prime example is the forward line. We needed more agile pressure players. Instead, Horse thinks thw...

I agree with Roos' assessment there. And those are the two areas I'd target if I were Horse. Firstly, the game plan needs work. Against Port and against the Lions, our gameplan was exposed. We play a high risk high reward game and it failed spectacularly twice. We need to adjust the defensive...

If Cox couldn't help him overcome the issue then I have no place throwing my 2 cents in. If Cox and Grundy couldn't work out a solution together then I just feel it was too difficult, or perhaps just a deficiency in Grundys game that couldn't be solved.

John candy?

Interestingly, we had Adams and Parker who could have relieved him of his duties within games and allowed him to take a break in the forward line if we didn't want to rest him altogether. But we chose to keep him playing as a battering ram. Chose to keep Parker in the 2s and then shafted Adams...

Exactly. It was absolutely tone def after their last 2 grand finals performances. And 4 straight GF defeats. Sure, the club would be ecstatic about the membership numbers, but keep that in-house. It's meaningless to fans at this stage. Then ask fans to dig into their pockets after they've just...

What an absolute joke of a message from the club. People have mentioned Harley and Co's interest in memberships and being corporate sell outs. Basically offering horse a job for life because he keeps us there abouts. That pathetic message reinforces it. Another tone def message from the club's...

If the club is as savvy as we believe it to be. It would have an open and honest conversation with Warner about his intentions and trying to make it happen this year provided the WA clubs come to the party. With a player like Warner on the market, you'd be foolish to play funny buggers and not...

Not only that, but he managed to put Adams off side in doing the backflip. So much went wrong this year, particularly in a year where almost everything went right. Mills injures his shoulder. Gets given sole captaincy despite missing more than half the year. Rampe, who relinquished his...