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North won't be relocating to Canberra, but if they did, they'd be as welcome as any other club relocating (and more than some others). North left Canberra almost two decades ago. I don't think many Canberrans are harbouring any resentment.

The deadline got me excited, but it was bit of a nothing piece. Expansion will come eventually and there will be more games to sell after Tasmania. Not a lot of new info. We already knew Hawthorn were gearing up for FNQ.

But we're not saying the same thing. You said that the Giants are more popular in Canberra, so relocation isn't "an outrageous suggestion". But in terms of members and actual fans, the Giants are absolutely more popular in Sydney. Which is why relocation is an outrageous suggestion. The...

You really can't use crowd size as a sign of a single club's popularity in Canberra. We got similar crowds when North and the Western Bulldogs played here, too. At any given game at Manuka, less than a quarter would actually be Giants fans. So probably fewer than 3k. Which probably includes a...

Please stop peddling this. They're not. We get larger crowds because we have more AFL fans, not Giants fans. At the end of the day, Canberra has fewer than a fifth of Giants members, whereas Sydney has roughly 70%. And a higher percentage of Sydney's members would actually be primarily...

To those shitting on the Giants' semi final crowd, it was just 767 fewer than Cronulla's semi final crowd last night. The Giants are lagging against AFL crowds, but holding their own by Sydney standards.

I agree. It would have to be the Canberra somethings. In theory, if they were the Canberra Owls, or Canberra Griffins, that would be far enough removed from the original name, but Ainslie could still own the licence. And if it uses green, blue and yellow, they could still informally be the...

I think that'd be a little bit of the case, but most would get over it as things developed. Especially if they made enough of a change to differentiate. Plenty of players from other clubs played for the Canberra Demons. I wouldn't say AFL Canberra clubs have as fervent support as the major...

That age clock feature is handy. WA is currently 6.1 times more populous than the ACT, but that's expected to shrink to 4.6 by 2050 and 3.6 by 2071. Extrapolatimg that to cities. Greater Perth is currently about 4 times the size of Greater Canberra. That'll drop to about 3.6 times by 2050 and...

There's no way A-Leagues club is worth more to Canberra than the Raiders (who get $2.6m). But $3m is way more than I expected a BBL team to get. Shows he's really making the push. Also shows that the ACT Government is more liquid for sports funding than has been previously suggested.

They were, but as I've already said, they were mostly obtained by Facebook targeting. It was directed at people with an interest in Australian rules football within a 40km radius of Canberra. I tried to make it as neutral as I could. This would be an interesting one. I'd like to see the data...

Do you consume much media elsewhere? Dwayne Russell had a talk back section regarding the semi final crowd, and have the text line's response was "just move them to Canberra". I read it in Facebook comments and tweets all the time. Somebody literally made a subreddit post yesterday titled...

My point is that the Giants aren't as embedded in Canberra as everyone seems to believe. Everybody sees the large crowds and thinks we're Giants territory, but we're (mostly) just here for the AFL. If the Giants moved to Canberra, they would slowly start to grow as Canberra's actual team, but...

Darwin and Melbourne are both pretty much the same distance from Perth (about 2600km).

Would be the most travelled team in the comp by air miles. Freo and West Coast currently travel interstate 11 times a year (which we constantly hear is too much). This team would have to do it 12 times.

Thank you for highlighting my point. You've fallen for the rhetoric. The majority of Giants fans and members are in Sydney. Just 18.6% of Giants members are in Canberra. And only about a third of them are actually Giants fans. Which means of the 36,639 Giants members this year, only about...

I think this past week has highlighted why the Giants need to leave Canberra. The Giants got 18k to a final. Probably lower than they would have hoped, but perfectly respectable. They've had four record crowds at Engie this year. Things are trending right. But so much of the rhetoric has been...

Geez, we gotta get you on the committee. I had initially been against using a legacy club, but you've made some great points, and it alleviates some gaps in the bid, namely asset base and an early training base. You obviously couldn't use Ainslie's uniform as it's nearly identical to the...

Russell says "Why would you choose the Giants over the Swans?", then suggests to take away the main point of difference.

Canberra had about 250k people then. About two thirds more people than Geelong had at the same time. Canberra was also more footy-inclined back then so it probably had more footy fans than Geelong at the time.

Stanhope is ridiculously anti-Barr and the light rail. Anything he writes on the subject should be taken with more than a grain of salt.

Canberra will have a bigger off-field base than the Giants. Bigger crowds, more expensive tickets and memberships. Corporate catchment doesn't matter as much these days. Every major sponsor is national or international. Canberra's will be in a better situation than GWS, even without...

I don't see why the ACT government will have to fund more than they currently are. Canberra's already getting a redeveloped Manuka for BBL. If the ACT replicates the stadium conditions they used to entice the Giants, over 11 games, Canberra would earn almost $2.5m. Add that to the $2.85m, and...

The light rail will be an ongoing project for decades to come. This is just stage 2. We're slated for at least two more stages after this. We'll probably be talking light rail well past 2050. But it'll have very little effect on an AFL team's finances. Manuka's already getting upgraded. There's...

Luckily the line to Woden will swing around the eastern side of Parliament House. It won't be the doorstep of Manuka, but a stop will be between 700m to 1km from Manuka (depending on the route the choose). For comparison, Adelaide Oval is 550m from the train and Carrara is 2km from the train.

Well the Giants currently survive on just $2.85m a year of government funding, and all indications so far suggest that Canberra would have stronger support. The game isn't really dependent on local sponsors any more. Pretty much all major sponsors are national or international brands. KFC...

The Giants already get more than the Raiders or Brumbies. I've always run off the assumption that that $2.85m would transfer to a 20th team (maybe a slight boost with inflation, but the same boost that would've happened to the Giants partnership). If the ACT Government wants to pay more, great...

Seeing this BBL announcement (which we all know means an upgraded Manuka), hours after Barr posted how unfeasible a rectangular stadium on the West Basin is, definitely lines up that way. It may be a leap, but things are lining up in that direction. You also keep going on about the economics...

I don't want to read too much into it, but I think/hope you're right.

Labor has made pushing for a BBL team an official election platform. Would strengthen the case for a Manuka upgrade.