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'Passing fad'? '10 years'? Yet again, the ignorance flowing out of these pages, and indeed the internet itself, is truly astonishing. The Hawks-Cats rivalry goes back to at least '89, and you could probably stretch it back to '63 when Bobbly Davis buried a dead hawk at Kardinia Park after that...

Good discussion, and highlights what a big, fat pile of utter BOLLOCKS the 'Hawthorn's dynasty was not as good because of the weaker opposition' argument is. The Clarkson dynasty's opposition was: 2008 - Cats: arguably the greatest runners-up in history 2014 - Swans, finished top, had an...

'Longevity'? Well it's been a thing for at least 3 decades, does that count for longevity?

I'd rate them about even, it's just that Enright is more highly rated by a public brainwashed by his media-darling status. I'd also take Birch's career over Enright's every single day of the week.

Buddy flew under the radar to a certain extent til '08, and thereafter hasn't got close to it again. Daniher's name alone is ensuring there's not even a radar to fly under, and he'll be wearing extra defensive attention soon, if he's not already. I doubt very much he'll ever get over 80, let...

As far as the overall value given to a club is concerned, I would not take anyone above Hodge for Hawthorn from that draft or any draft since.

I would put them on a par now. '83-'91: 5 flags from 8 GF appearances in 9 years, including a back to back. '08-'15: 4 flags from 5 GF appearances in 9 years, including a 3-peat. Looking at that, it still looks like 83-91 has the edge. But you need to look more deeply at it. More teams and...

Viewed in isolation, Judd is clearly the superior individual player. There is little question about that. If I was a young professional footballer starting out, and could choose out of their careers? I'd choose Hodge's career a million times before Judd's. And value to the teams that selected...

It really is as simple as this.

That's kinda how I see it. Davis = better; Dew = more important.

I was there, and have watched the game about 100 times since, I honestly don't think we would have won that game without Dew's input.

Stewy Dew in the '08 GF or Nick Davis in the '05 SF? Both stunning individual performances, in vitally important games. Neither of their respective teams would have won those important games without their individual brilliance. Of course it's all subjective, but who do you think was better or...

'Over the odds' is what they said last time. Once MAY possibly be a fluke, but twice in a row is nothing but expert management of the biggest sport in the country by miles and miles.

MINE!!! This is a BLOODY outrage! Don't they know league outrates the Victard gayfl by miles, if we twist the figures enough??? Did they add NSW regionals when they did the calculations for this??? I was round at my mate's place the other day, with some other mates of ours, and NOT ONE of us...

Why? Would you ever even consider going alone?

Do you ever go alone, or do you have to be with other people?

I don't see why not. Give it a go and see how it works....

Read this poll, people. It knows what it's talking about!

Where's the 'both' option?

Jeans is my personal favourite, obviously. Lethal has performed absolute miracles during his coaching career (a Flag for the Pies in the modern era??? Still in disbelief about that one!), but McHale is and possibly always will be the greatest coach in Football history....

Was there that day, and it was a 15m penalty in those days. Very good chance Bucky would have nailed that goal, even without the penalty. He was a dead-eye d*ck, and the ball sailed through the centre at almost post height. Heartbreaking for Dees fans, no question. But still a deserved win to...

All horrific, but Hirdy's was truly life threatening....

I don't think Geelong OR Essendon are much of a rival to us atm....

Stick a 'neither' option in and I'll vote in your poll....

Enjoying the results of this poll!:thumbsu:

Vics would destroy all comers there IMO....

And why?

The sheer interest it creates, of which this thread is one tiny example, dis-proves what alot of you are saying, IMO...

None. 'Greatest rapper' is an oxymoron....

But this normal roster match between the same 2 teams draws the biggest crowd outside the big one! Even the Prelims!