1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[revo333]

Ooh Whateley is taking calls on SEN from 9am re: Australian cricket.

Sounds spicy. Let ‘er rip, everyone

Plenty of memberships in the microwave?

 

[largebus]

We've tended to be propped up by one good innings for a while now, think Head's century vs WI, Smith's 91* nearly getting us over the line in Brisbane and Green in the 1st test vs NZ. The only exception I can think is Carey in the 2nd NZ test getting support from Marsh.

Once that one player doesn't stand up our batting is as strong as a wet newspaper.

 

[kickazz]

Has a hypermobile elbow, and uses it to great effect.

Hyper mobile elbow or not, still gotta be within 15 degrees I think, which I'm pretty sure it is.

My concern with his action is more if he gets injured.

 

[eddiesmith]

I'd be interested to see where a test win is coming from, a la 2010 WACA.

Either Brisbane or Adelaide, day night test always can throw up something strange or winning the toss when it’s hot and humid in Brisbane.

 

[King Elvis]

We did this to ourselves through a combination of arrogance and weakness.

We all knew Warner should've been out last Summer, we knew we NEEDED to get a new opener bedded in with Khawaja and ready for this series.

Instead we let Warner waste a summer against average opposition and now we're paying for it. McSweeney was a desperation pick (I would've gone Renshaw, at least he has some experience), looks completely out of his depth - no surprise considering his shield record.

Even worse, we've wasted Tests trying out Smith as an opener, and arguably disrupted his game as well.

And there is every chance Khawaja retires end of this Summer - who the hell are our openers for the Ashes?

Labash has been crap for 2 years, constantly making meaningless scores while striking well below 50 and putting everyone else under pressure - he looks absolutely shot.

Throw in our refusal to schedule any proper warm up matches (which also bit us on the arse when we toured India, clearly we didn't learn), and is it any surprise we look like shit?

I'm a big fan of Cummins, not putting this on him, but what's the point of having a coach and selectors if they aren't actually preparing the team to win one of the 2 biggest series we play?

Bloody pathetic!

 

[samFFC]

Hyper mobile elbow or not, still gotta be within 15 degrees I think, which I'm pretty sure it is.

My concern with his action is more if he gets injured.

Absolutely.
Could have an abrupt career end, sadly.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Watching Marnus wicket
He was completely at sea with feet all.over the place and missing the ball by a good 2 metres
If he's selected next week it's a clear sign standards have dropped and mediocrity embraced

He has gone past losing his form, he is mentally cooked as a batsman at the moment. There is no way he can play in Adelaide. ZERO chance.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

There's nothing wrong with it, it looks bad side on because you shouldn't be seeing a bowlers elbow do that but then you see it from behind or front on, it's just the hyperextension and the whip he gets through his arm, he's not throwing it.

It doesn’t matter anymore, you have been legally been able to be a chucker for decades now. That’s not me saying I think he is a chucker but the rules got changed so it’s easier to be a chucker than offend them for chucking. Started with Murali

 

[revo333]

the goat pace bowlers list is very tight

Anderson
Mcgrath
malcolm marshall
Steyn
Lillee
Waqar
Akram

As good as bumrah as been so far, he still has a way to go before he surpasses the names mentioned above.

Already pass Anderson and I have him pass Steyn as well.

 

[Jamz]

It doesn’t matter anymore, you have been legally been able to be a checker for decades now. That’s not me saying I think he is a chucker but the rules got changed so it’s easier to be a checker than offend them for chucking. Started with Murali

Murali was just a farce.

Bowling off spin but using his wrist to generate revs? That's not how it works.

 

[Portmagpies36]

We did this to ourselves through a combination of arrogance and weakness.

We all knew Warner should've been out last Summer, we knew we NEEDED to get a new opener bedded in with Khawaja and ready for this series.

Instead we let Warner waste a summer against average opposition and now we're paying for it. McSweeney was a desperation pick (I would've gone Renshaw, at least he has some experience), looks completely out of his depth - no surprise considering his shield record.

Even worse, we've wasted Tests trying out Smith as an opener, and arguably disrupted his game as well.

And there is every chance Khawaja retires end of this Summer - who the hell are our openers for the Ashes?

Labash has been crap for 2 years, constantly making meaningless scores while striking well below 50 and putting everyone else under pressure - he looks absolutely shot.

Throw in our refusal to schedule any proper warm up matches (which also bit us on the arse when we toured India, clearly we didn't learn), and is it any surprise we look like shit?

I'm a big fan of Cummins, not putting this on him, but what's the point of having a coach and selectors if they aren't actually preparing the team to win one of the 2 biggest series we play?

Bloody pathetic!

Pat Cummins saying before the Test he feels better under prepared is absolutely ridiculous .

 

[King Elvis]

He has gone past losing his form, he is mentally cooked as a batsman at the moment. There is no way he can play in Adelaide. ZERO chance.

#3 is your fulcrum, he is absolutely killing us, his performances are putting everybody else under ridiculous pressure.

 

[King Elvis]

Absolutely.
Could have an abrupt career end, sadly.

I think he's a chucker, but the precedent has been established and reinforced for decades now - so what we think is irrelevant.

 

[sherb]

the goat pace bowlers list is very tight

Anderson
Mcgrath
malcolm marshall
Steyn
Lillee
Waqar
Akram

As good as bumrah as been so far, he still has a way to go before he surpasses the names mentioned above.

You missed Hadlee for one.

 

[Around the Wicket]

It was unrealistic to think Labs was going to average 60 for ever when he averaged 35 in Shield cricket prior to getting a crack at Test cricket

 

[Lunchtime]

We did this to ourselves through a combination of arrogance and weakness.

We all knew Warner should've been out last Summer, we knew we NEEDED to get a new opener bedded in with Khawaja and ready for this series.

Instead we let Warner waste a summer against average opposition and now we're paying for it. McSweeney was a desperation pick (I would've gone Renshaw, at least he has some experience), looks completely out of his depth - no surprise considering his shield record.

Even worse, we've wasted Tests trying out Smith as an opener, and arguably disrupted his game as well.

And there is every chance Khawaja retires end of this Summer - who the hell are our openers for the Ashes?

Labash has been crap for 2 years, constantly making meaningless scores while striking well below 50 and putting everyone else under pressure - he looks absolutely shot.

Throw in our refusal to schedule any proper warm up matches (which also bit us on the arse when we toured India, clearly we didn't learn), and is it any surprise we look like shit?

I'm a big fan of Cummins, not putting this on him, but what's the point of having a coach and selectors if they aren't actually preparing the team to win one of the 2 biggest series we play?

Bloody pathetic!

This just shows the arrogance of Smith.

Asking selectors to open the batting. How stupid and self destructive is that. In a stronger era of Australian cricket had he asked the selectors they would of told him NO and get lost. Notice how he chose to open against the West Indies (weak opposition) but opted to drop back to number 4 this series against India (strong opposition).

I've been saying for years....CA/Aust men's cricket team are collectively arrogant and the points you've raised...you've hit the nail on the head.

It's hilarious seeing things unravel as they are so far.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You missed Hadlee for one.

Who is arguably number 1

 

[Buzz Hawk]

There's nothing wrong with it, it looks bad side on because you shouldn't be seeing a bowlers elbow do that but then you see it from behind or front on, it's just the hyperextension and the whip he gets through his arm, he's not throwing it.

Hmmm.
12 steps, locked arm, snapped wrist. 140ks.
But good luck to him.

 

[Around the Wicket]

This just shows the arrogance of Smith.

Asking selectors to open the batting. How stupid and self destructive is that. In a stronger era of Australian cricket had he asked the selectors they would of told him NO and get lost. Notice how he chose to open against the West Indies (weak opposition) but opted to drop back to number 4 this series against India (strong opposition).

I've been saying for years....CA/Aust men's cricket team are collectively arrogant and the points you've raised...you've hit the nail on the head.

It's hilarious seeing things unravel as they are so far.

Had he scored a bucket load of runs he would have stayed at opener, he realised he was struggling and dropped back down, plus Green got injured.

 

[King Elvis]

This just shows the arrogance of Smith.

Asking selectors to open the batting. How stupid and self destructive is that. In a stronger era of Australian cricket had he asked the selectors they would of told him NO and get lost. Notice how he chose to open against the West Indies (weak opposition) but opted to drop back to number 4 this series against India (strong opposition).

I've been saying for years....CA/Aust men's cricket team are collectively arrogant and the points you've raised...you've hit the nail on the head.

It's hilarious seeing things unravel as they are so far.

I think Smith put his hand up to do what he believed what was in the best interest of the team, because management couldn't make a decision as it was.

He gave them an easy out, and they took it.

I don't blame him, I blame management for allowing the situation to occur.

 

[Buzz Hawk]

Has a hypermobile elbow, and uses it to great effect.

Yeah and I have lockjaw and a hyper extended butt crack.

 

[Portmagpies36]

the goat pace bowlers list is very tight

Anderson
Mcgrath
malcolm marshall
Steyn
Lillee
Waqar
Akram

As good as bumrah as been so far, he still has a way to go before he surpasses the names mentioned above.

Has a way to go before he passes James Anderson? Your having a laugh.

 

[Lunchtime]

It was unrealistic to think Labs was going to average 60 for ever when he averaged 35 in Shield cricket prior to getting a crack at Test cricket

In a stronger era of Australian cricket.....he doesn't get picked.

 

[King Elvis]

Hmmm.
12 steps, locked arm, snapped wrist. 140ks.
But good luck to him.

Nobody else will be able to bowl like him - a physical abnormality shouldn't invalidate the rules.

 

[Portmagpies36]

This just shows the arrogance of Smith.

Asking selectors to open the batting. How stupid and self destructive is that. In a stronger era of Australian cricket had he asked the selectors they would of told him NO and get lost. Notice how he chose to open against the West Indies (weak opposition) but opted to drop back to number 4 this series against India (strong opposition).

I've been saying for years....CA/Aust men's cricket team are collectively arrogant and the points you've raised...you've hit the nail on the head.

It's hilarious seeing things unravel as they are so far.

That is 100% on the leaders agreeing to Smith saying he could do it.