20 Disposals and a goal

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Ricmel said:
You are too literal. And out of context.

My post was in response to a post saying Dusty kicked twice as many goals as some others. He didn’t.

I’m not arguing that Dusty wouldn’t get more possessions if he played in another position. He probably would. Just like Judd would probably have kicked more goals if he spent time in a forward pocket. He doesn’t have to kick 80. He needs to kick an extra 6 per year to match Dusty’s goal average.

I reckon he could do that. Me saying that does NOT mean that I don’t think Dusty could get possession average up if he played as pure mid.

That is what is known as a non sequitor.
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Judd averaged 22.9. If he played forward more to get his goal average from 0.82 to 1.13, his disposals drop significantly.

Tony Greene the reverse … he can easily average 25 touches a game, but that requires significant midfield minutes and his goal average drops significantly.

That’s why 20 & 1, or whatever metric you choose to represent relatively high average disposals and goals is very rare.

Like we’ve said, doesn’t mean a season with 28 and 0.3 or 17 and 2.4 can’t be outstanding … of course they can. All it shows is winning the ball a lot and kicking goals in the process is difficult. How highly anyone chooses to rate being able to do that is up to each individual.

But given getting the ball and kicking it through the big sticks are without question the 2 most important components of AFL footy, I believe players who can get the ball a lot and kick goals are very valuable commodities.


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In 2023 Martin averaged 23.6 and 1.25.

Here is the list of players to average 23.6+ and 1.25+ (those numbers are used as it’s what Martin achieved in 2023) since 2012:

2023: Martin
2022: nobody
2021: nobody
2020: Martin (reduced by 20%)
2019: Martin
2018: Martin
2017: Martin. Danger. Zorko (Zorko made AA and won the B&F in 2017)
2016: Gray (Gray made AA and won B&F in 2016)
2015: Nobody
2014: GAJ, Gray & Boomer (Boomer made AA squad and finished 4th in B&F. Gray made AA team and won the B&F)
2013: GAJ
2012: GAJ

So 13 times in 12 years. By 5 players.

The only time it didn’t equate to an AA team was Martin 2023 and Harvey 2014, and both made the squad. Pretty sure all players had pretty elite seasons


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RUNVS said:
It is only Richmond fans determined to create threads "proving" Martin is the bestest, most amazing, best looking player ever who also uses chopsticks really well too.

You don't see Geelong fans doing the same thing with Selwood or Dangerfield and I think the reason for that is Geelong fans feel secure in the AFL communities assessment of them, while Richmond fans feel a deep insecurity that non-Richmond fans do not rate their players or team as highly as they (Richmond fans) think we should.
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No no we are scared of something or bitter about something I’m sure of it
 
Noidnadroj said:
In 2023 Martin averaged 23.6 and 1.25.

Here is the list of players to average 23.6+ and 1.25+ (those numbers are used as it’s what Martin achieved in 2023) since 2012:

2023: Martin
2022: nobody
2021: nobody
2020: Martin (reduced by 20%)
2019: Martin
2018: Martin
2017: Martin. Danger. Zorko (Zorko made AA and won the B&F in 2017)
2016: Gray (Gray made AA and won B&F in 2016)
2015: Nobody
2014: GAJ, Gray & Boomer (Boomer made AA squad and finished 4th in B&F. Gray made AA team and won the B&F)
2013: GAJ
2012: GAJ

So 13 times in 12 years. By 5 players.

The only time it didn’t equate to an AA team was Martin 2023 and Harvey 2014, and both made the squad. Pretty sure all players had pretty elite seasons


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Oh goody, more arbitrary cut-off statistics, this time to two decimal places!
 
Fadge said:
Oh goody, more arbitrary cut-off statistics, this time to two decimal places!
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The cut-off was exactly what Martin achieved in 2023… so it’s actually the opposite of arbitrary. Maybe grab a dictionary ….

And who would’ve thought a thread that was created to specifically analyse disposal and goal stats of players through the years, might involve some analysis and comparison of disposals and goals achieved by players throughout the years..

Why involve yourself in threads you have no interest in being involved in? Weird behaviour… Fadgelogical behaviour perhaps.


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Noidnadroj said:
Meow + Fadge = consensus.

🤣🤣🤣

And I can’t recall a single debate as to whether Martin deserved a spot in the AA squad… you got a link to that debate? What ‘you’ might think is not a consensus view.


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Wait...you actually thought majority opinion had Martin in the AA team through last year and elite all season?

That's kind of crazy.

It does explain a few of your hysterical antics if in your eyes you, MR, blaisee, Aristotle and Falcon make up the "unbiased" majority of football fans. Fighting the good cause against the venomous, salty, mean BigFooty folk.

Or... people simply didn't think Martin's first 2/3 of the season were AA standard. 13 coaches votes (around 1 a game) reflected that. Around 5 coaches votes a game in the finishing run was very strong indeed but too little, too late - especially for Richmond's season.

I frequented the AA thread. Neutrals, including myself, brought Bolton and Taranto into the conversation and prospective teams more than Martin through the year. They just didn't finish as strong. And that's probably what got Martin in the squad of 44 ahead of them.
 
Noidnadroj said:
Pendlebury was the least damaging midfielder in regards to scoreboard threat in his 21 finals from 2011-2023 than basically any other midfielder.
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If you go back to the Pies team around the 2010 flag you would see that it wasnt Pendles role to run ahead of the ball and be a goal scorer.

We had Didak who was a 25 and 1.7 player at his peak in 2010 (he won our goal kicking that year whilst still getting 590 disposals).

We also had Beams who himself was a regular 20 and 1 player for us in that period and Sidey who also avg 1 goal per game.

Similar with Geelong, Selwood played with regular 20 and 1 players in Stevie J and Chapman.

If you already have multiple quality HHF types you dont want another midfielder running forward of the ball...you actually need a busy midfielder who will tackle, win clearances and set up behind the ball.

The "poor" Pendles just went and won a Norm Smith when he had most disposals, most tackles, equal 2nd clearances and equal 3rd most rebound 50s on the ground.

But 0 goals = a poor game according to the nuffie Tiger chorus.

You cant have an entire team of front runners who dont defend.
 
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The 20/1 certainly produces a list of elite players and endorses the skills of Dustin Martin.

However it ignores others of equal and in some cases superior careers. eg I believe Tony Lockett is the greatest player to play the game and he would never be on the 20/1 list. In fact it rules him out, which makes 20/1 one of many ways of statistically finding elite players but no better than any other.

If you compare the careers of Dustin Martin to the target of the Richmond posters on here, Scott Pendlebury, who has the better career?
On 20/1 it would be Martin, but Pendlebury leads on B&F club awards 5 to 2 on AA selections and on coaches votes per game. Pendlebury also has had the most number of kicks, handballs ,all at very high disposal rates ,and 1%ers in the history of the AFL.

On coaches votes it is very close and this to me is the most accurate assessment of how elite a player actually is. Particularly as AFL has become such a 'role playing' game for players. Example is in many Richmond games I have watched , Martin is placed 1 out forward where his role is to win the contest and kick goals, a ploy that plays to his strengths. Pendlebury has never been used by any of his coaches in this role. To compare them under this one arbitrary theory is interesting but also misleading.

It also doesn't take into account leadership. The leadership of Joel Selwood and Luke Hodge, the 2 best in AFL history IMO, makes them amongst the first pick in any successful team.

Don't remember who the clown was attempting to shame Garry Ablett for not being a 1 club player needs to remember that there was a time when Richmond were desperate to offload Dusty Martin. Nobody wanted him, which was not surprising because of off field issues . He toured GWS facilities and even they passed.
 
cliffdrabble said:
The 20/1 certainly produces a list of elite players and endorses the skills of Dustin Martin.

However it ignores others of equal and in some cases superior careers. eg I believe Tony Lockett is the greatest player to play the game and he would never be on the 20/1 list. In fact it rules him out, which makes 20/1 one of many ways of statistically finding elite players but no better than any other.

If you compare the careers of Dustin Martin to the target of the Richmond posters on here, Scott Pendlebury, who has the better career?
On 20/1 it would be Martin, but Pendlebury leads on B&F club awards 5 to 2 on AA selections and on coaches votes per game. Pendlebury also has had the most number of kicks, handballs ,all at very high disposal rates ,and 1%ers in the history of the AFL.

On coaches votes it is very close and this to me is the most accurate assessment of how elite a player actually is. Particularly as AFL has become such a 'role playing' game for players. Example is in many Richmond games I have watched , Martin is placed 1 out forward where his role is to win the contest and kick goals, a ploy that plays to his strengths. Pendlebury has never been used by any of his coaches in this role. To compare them under this one arbitrary theory is interesting but also misleading.

It also doesn't take into account leadership. The leadership of Joel Selwood and Luke Hodge, the 2 best in AFL history IMO, makes them amongst the first pick in any successful team.

Don't remember who the clown was attempting to shame Garry Ablett for not being a 1 club player needs to remember that there was a time when Richmond were desperate to offload Dusty Martin. Nobody wanted him, which was not surprising because of off field issues . He toured GWS facilities and even they passed.
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There is a lot of sense in your post. But a few bits that miss the mark a little bit imo.

First, if there was truly a time when other clubs didn't want Martin - and I don't think there was - there was also a time he was made what remains the highest offer from within the salary cap to any player in history, when North offered him $1.5m per season in 2017. And weren't they shown in spades to have got that offer correct.

Martin of course plays in a role that plays to his strengths. If you have a player with that level of "strengths" you would be insane to ever ask him to play any other role. Richmond tried it in 2016, and while Martin finished 3rd in the Brownlow, the club quickly realised its error and reverted to getting him playing ahead of the ball a lot of the time. Pendlebury has been a tremendous player, but he doesn't have the explosive ability to play the role of a mid-forward. So he plays more behind the ball where it is easier to be consistent. And because he is very good at it, and a team player, he has done very well in coaches votes and b & f's etc. But not so well in finals, especially if you are comparing him to Dusty.

Leadership is not something that can be measured convincingly from outside a club. You certainly can't just watch blokes on TV and say Hodge and Selwood are made to look like brilliant leaders so they must be. Pendlebury is a really unobjectionable fellow and a highly consistent footballer who was also captain for a long time so he must also be a great leader. But Cotchin has a bit of edge to him and it suited me better that he was a laughing stock so I will just simply overlook him in the discussion, despite him skippering a chronic failure of a club to 3 flags out of nowhere. None of us would have the first idea which of these were better leaders than the others, or whether Jack Ziebell or Shannon Hurn or whoever else might in reality be a better leader than all of them. So it is simply not something we can speak about with any authority at all in comparing players.

On the issue of 20+1 I totally agree it doesn't capture all the great footballers. Of course it doesn't. You may not have been privy to it but we have threads were people have sworn black and blue Dustin Martin has only had 4 or 5 elite seasons, despite having 11 seasons where on average he has bettered both 20 disposals and 1 goal per game by 24% each. So quoting 20 + 1 seasons is a simple shield to defend silly people making those baseless claims rather than a sword to attack players who don't haven't met that all-round milestone as often but have achieved similarly impressive feats in different configurations.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
There is a lot of sense in your post. But a few bits that miss the mark a little bit imo.

First, if there was truly a time when other clubs didn't want Martin - and I don't think there was - there was also a time he was made what remains the highest offer from within the salary cap to any player in history, when North offered him $1.5m per season in 2017. And weren't they shown in spades to have got that offer correct.

Martin of course plays in a role that plays to his strengths. If you have a player with that level of "strengths" you would be insane to ever ask him to play any other role. Richmond tried it in 2016, and while Martin finished 3rd in the Brownlow, the club quickly realised its error and reverted to getting him playing ahead of the ball a lot of the time. Pendlebury has been a tremendous player, but he doesn't have the explosive ability to play the role of a mid-forward. So he plays more behind the ball where it is easier to be consistent. And because he is very good at it, and a team player, he has done very well in coaches votes and b & f's etc. But not so well in finals, especially if you are comparing him to Dusty.

Leadership is not something that can be measured convincingly from outside a club. You certainly can't just watch blokes on TV and say Hodge and Selwood are made to look like brilliant leaders so they must be. Pendlebury is a really unobjectionable fellow and a highly consistent footballer who was also captain for a long time so he must also be a great leader. But Cotchin has a bit of edge to him and it suited me better that he was a laughing stock so I will just simply overlook him in the discussion, despite him skippering a chronic failure of a club to 3 flags out of nowhere. None of us would have the first idea which of these were better leaders than the others, or whether Jack Ziebell or Shannon Hurn or whoever else might in reality be a better leader than all of them. So it is simply not something we can speak about with any authority at all in comparing players.

On the issue of 20+1 I totally agree it doesn't capture all the great footballers. Of course it doesn't. You may not have been privy to it but we have threads were people have sworn black and blue Dustin Martin has only had 4 or 5 elite seasons, despite having 11 seasons where on average he has bettered both 20 disposals and 1 goal per game by 24% each. So quoting 20 + 1 seasons is a simple shield to defend silly people making those baseless claims rather than a sword to attack players who don't haven't met that all-round milestone as often but have achieved similarly impressive feats in different configurations.
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A midfielder/forward hybrid role is arguably the most eye catching one to draw votes in the AFL. Elite is a high standard. Petracca and Bontempelli are good examples of ticking this box in recent years.

The 20/1 rule you lean on to define "elite" includes seasons where Martin accumulated 45, 47, 42 and 45 (again) coaches votes. In 2023, 42 coaches votes would only just scrape you into the top 50 players, almost all of which are midfielders or forwards.

Parish, Rowell, Bolton, Laird, Brayshaw and J.Cameron would be judged to have had elite 2023s (and Dangerfield missing out by a single vote) by this 40-50 coaches vote standard.

O'Meara and Amon picked up low 40s votes in 2022.

42 votes covered Ziebell and Hooker in 2015.

44-46 votes got Dom Tyson, Cunnington and Swallow in 2014.

In the 40s in 2013 you got Motlop, Cloke, Wells and Daniel Jackson to name a few.

These players had decent seasons but your standard for elite is obviously a little lower than others if you are collecting these sorts of players/seasons. Most would agree that Martin has been at a truly elite level for 5 seasons in his career rather than 11.
 

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Mr Meow said:
A midfielder/forward hybrid role is arguably the most eye catching one to draw votes in the AFL. Elite is a high standard. Petracca and Bontempelli are good examples of ticking this box in recent years.

The 20/1 rule you lean on to define "elite" includes seasons where Martin accumulated 45, 47, 42 and 45 (again) coaches votes. In 2023, 42 coaches votes would only just scrape you into the top 50 players, almost all of which are midfielders or forwards.

Parish, Rowell, Bolton, Laird, Brayshaw and J.Cameron would be judged to have had elite 2023s (and Dangerfield missing out by a single vote) by this 40-50 coaches vote standard.

O'Meara and Amon picked up low 40s votes in 2022.

42 votes covered Ziebell and Hooker in 2015.

44-46 votes got Dom Tyson, Cunnington and Swallow in 2014.

In the 40s in 2013 you got Motlop, Cloke, Wells and Daniel Jackson to name a few.

These players had decent seasons but your standard for elite is obviously a little lower than others if you are collecting these sorts of players/seasons. Most would agree that Martin has been at a truly elite level for 5 seasons in his career rather than 11.
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No it isn’t. The more forward time you play the less votes you get. Look at the recent brownlow medalists. Last mid/fwd to win was Dusty but even that was a 70/30 split.

Lachie Neale almost won 3 Brownlows so yeah.
 
Mr Meow said:
Wait...you actually thought majority opinion had Martin in the AA team through last year and elite all season?

That's kind of crazy.

It does explain a few of your hysterical antics if in your eyes you, MR, blaisee, Aristotle and Falcon make up the "unbiased" majority of football fans. Fighting the good cause against the venomous, salty, mean BigFooty folk.

Or... people simply didn't think Martin's first 2/3 of the season were AA standard. 13 coaches votes (around 1 a game) reflected that. Around 5 coaches votes a game in the finishing run was very strong indeed but too little, too late - especially for Richmond's season.

I frequented the AA thread. Neutrals, including myself, brought Bolton and Taranto into the conversation and prospective teams more than Martin through the year. They just didn't finish as strong. And that's probably what got Martin in the squad of 44 ahead of them.
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Oh dear… you said it was debated if Martin was worthy of a spot in the AA squad (not final team). I’ve said myself he was 50/50 for the team and it could’ve gone either way. But there wasn’t discussion after the squad was announced suggesting Martin was a surprise inclusion in the squad of 44…. that’s what your contention was.

You got links to those discussions about his AA squad position ? Or did you make that up? Where is the link to those discussions?

His disposal and goal averages in 2023 of 23.6 and 1.25 have been achieved by just 5 players in the last 12-seasons. And these are not irrelevant stats … they are ‘getting the pill’ and ‘kicking goals’. Sort of what every single mid-fwd is trying to do every minute of every game.

And what did you think of Larkey’s season? Was he worthy? He kicked 20-goals in the last 3 H&A games when everyone’s cue was in the rack.. I assume he was unworthy? Or is that different?



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Mr Meow said:
A midfielder/forward hybrid role is arguably the most eye catching one to draw votes in the AFL. Elite is a high standard. Petracca and Bontempelli are good examples of ticking this box in recent years.

The 20/1 rule you lean on to define "elite" includes seasons where Martin accumulated 45, 47, 42 and 45 (again) coaches votes. In 2023, 42 coaches votes would only just scrape you into the top 50 players, almost all of which are midfielders or forwards.

Parish, Rowell, Bolton, Laird, Brayshaw and J.Cameron would be judged to have had elite 2023s (and Dangerfield missing out by a single vote) by this 40-50 coaches vote standard.

O'Meara and Amon picked up low 40s votes in 2022.

42 votes covered Ziebell and Hooker in 2015.

44-46 votes got Dom Tyson, Cunnington and Swallow in 2014.

In the 40s in 2013 you got Motlop, Cloke, Wells and Daniel Jackson to name a few.

These players had decent seasons but your standard for elite is obviously a little lower than others if you are collecting these sorts of players/seasons. Most would agree that Martin has been at a truly elite level for 5 seasons in his career rather than 11.
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How many AA squad selections? (including the ones he made the team). That’s how many elite seasons he has.
 
Cleansweep17 said:
No it isn’t. The more forward time you play the less votes you get. Look at the recent brownlow medalists. Last mid/fwd to win was Dusty but even that was a 70/30 split.

Lachie Neale almost won 3 Brownlows so yeah.
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There's no better role to catch the eye than a midfielder who has license to attack, and even better if they rotate forward too.

Martin, Dangerfield, Bontempelli and Petracca are all guns but all have been favoured by that role. Petracca and Martin spend a bit more time forward than the other two.
 
Mr Meow said:
There's no better role to catch the eye than a midfielder who has license to attack, and even better if they rotate forward too.

Martin, Dangerfield, Bontempelli and Petracca are all guns but all have been favoured by that role. Petracca and Martin spend a bit more time forward than the other two.
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Eye catching for the fans sure, but not umpires for some reason. Even if you go further back GAJ and Fyfe both Brownlows from large majority in the midfield.

It’s why players like Toby Greene and Bolton who player closer to 50/50 or more fwd will never win a brownlow.
 
Noidnadroj said:
Oh dear… you said it was debated if Martin was worthy of a spot in the AA squad (not final team). I’ve said myself he was 50/50 for the team and it could’ve gone either way. But there wasn’t discussion after the squad was announced suggesting Martin was a surprise inclusion in the squad of 44…. that’s what your contention was.

You got links to those discussions about his AA squad position ? Or did you make that up? Where is the link to those discussions?

His disposal and goal averages in 2023 of 23.6 and 1.25 have been achieved by just 5 players in the last 12-seasons. And these are not irrelevant stats … they are ‘getting the pill’ and ‘kicking goals’. Sort of what every single mid-fwd is trying to do every minute of every game.

And what did you think of Larkey’s season? Was he worthy? He kicked 20-goals in the last 3 H&A games when everyone’s cue was in the rack.. I assume he was unworthy? Or is that different?



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You sound like a bit of a fanny when you start with "oh dear". Let's avoid that.

Check the AA thread starting at page 1 and finishing on the final page. Well, don't do it if you don't want to find it. You were in there arguing with those who didn't consider Martin's season as elite though so maybe this is selective amnesia.

Being elite for 1/3 of a season and not for 2/3 of the season doesn't cut the mustard in most people's eyes. A few Martin adorers and Hoyne thought otherwise. Time to deal with the fact that wasn't a majority view.
 
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Cleansweep17 said:
Eye catching for the fans sure, but not umpires for some reason. Even if you go further back GAJ and Fyfe both Brownlows from large majority in the midfield.

It’s why players like Toby Greene and Bolton who player closer to 50/50 or more fwd will never win a brownlow.
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The best pure midfielders of course do very well.

However it's simply disingenuous to say that Martin's attacking midfield role and midfield/forward minute splits have somehow acted against his vote getting capacity. In that role 40-45 coaches votes isn't parking you in the elite players in the comp. Greene for starters spends a lot more time as a genuine forward than Martin.
 
Cleansweep17 said:
How many AA squad selections? (including the ones he made the team). That’s how many elite seasons he has.
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4 times in the team. Another 4 times in the squad of 44. So it depends how lenient you are. Someone making the team 8 times has a much stronger case for 8 genuinely elite seasons.

Neutrals will land somewhere between 4-6. Richmond fans swing for 9-11 (we've just seen MR go with 11).

Usually there's claims of a conspiracy theory or someone being desperately upset if you share the majority view.
 
Mr Meow said:
The best pure midfielders of course do very well.

However it's simply disingenuous to say that Martin's attacking midfield role and midfield/forward minute splits have somehow acted against his vote getting capacity. In that role 40-45 coaches votes isn't parking you in the elite players in the comp. Greene for starters spends a lot more time as a genuine forward than Martin.
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Since he has moved to 50/50 since 2019 and even more forward since 2021/2022 (I believe 15/85) in 2023. Yes it has, it’s actually disingenuous to say it hasn’t. It happens with everybody.
 
Mr Meow said:
4 times in the team. Another 4 times in the squad of 44. So it depends how lenient you are. Someone making the team 8 times has a much stronger case for 8 genuinely elite seasons.

Neutrals will land somewhere between 4-6. Richmond fans swing for 9-11 (we've just seen MR go with 11).

Usually there's claims of a conspiracy theory or someone being desperately upset if you share the majority view.
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If Martin's 2023 is considered elite, Pendlebury as an example has had 15 elite seasons.
 
Mr Meow said:
4 times in the team. Another 4 times in the squad of 44. So it depends how lenient you are. Someone making the team 8 times has a much stronger case for 8 genuinely elite seasons.

Neutrals will land somewhere between 4-6. Richmond fans swing for 9-11 (we've just seen MR go with 11).

Usually there's claims of a conspiracy theory or someone being desperately upset if you share the majority view.
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8 elite seasons based on AA squad selections matches up with his career Brownlow vote totals. 8th all time. So yeah it can’t be just 5 elite seasons to get 200+ Brownlow votes.

I just think nobody took notice of Martin pre 2017 cause he played in a shit team, so you think only 5 elite seasons. Again based on the eye test.
 
Noidnadroj said:
Oh dear… you said it was debated if Martin was worthy of a spot in the AA squad (not final team). I’ve said myself he was 50/50 for the team and it could’ve gone either way. But there wasn’t discussion after the squad was announced suggesting Martin was a surprise inclusion in the squad of 44…. that’s what your contention was.

You got links to those discussions about his AA squad position ? Or did you make that up? Where is the link to those discussions?

His disposal and goal averages in 2023 of 23.6 and 1.25 have been achieved by just 5 players in the last 12-seasons. And these are not irrelevant stats … they are ‘getting the pill’ and ‘kicking goals’. Sort of what every single mid-fwd is trying to do every minute of every game.

And what did you think of Larkey’s season? Was he worthy? He kicked 20-goals in the last 3 H&A games when everyone’s cue was in the rack.. I assume he was unworthy? Or is that different?



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Larkey had 51 goals to round 21 in a god awful side before his big finish. He was their shining light all year but others like Allan, Daniher and Langford had a good shout too.

Richmond needed Martin's brilliant form earlier when they were considered a strong finals chance. Then he sat out of a couple of big games (Brisbane, Bulldogs) and didn't bring one of his big performances against St Kilda in the game that effectively knocked them out.
 

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