List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

Remove this Banner Ad

Status
Not open for further replies.
All to stay thanks.

3 really good players who are still only around 25, plenty of good footy ahead of them.

Barker has publicly stated yarran is required, which they don't normally do when they are looking to trade them, unusual if it's a ploy to increase his price.

If it's because yarran wants to leave, then that's another story and we have to get the best we can from a trade
Is rather keep him to but he's the most expendable of the 3 imo. Not a spine player and would be a super super star in a top 4 team.
 
Anyone see Cripps play yesterday ?
Anyone see Brayshaw play today ?
How about Hogan and Cameron and O'Meara ?
We haven't even seen Petracca yet ...
These are the quality players that you need to build a side around capable of consistently challenging for top 4 and ultimately premierships .
There's only one way you get these guys ,
Draft picks ... top end draft picks !!!
SOS knows this and knows what he has to do to get them .
We might have some tough decisions and hard yards in front of us in the next few years , but if we can't handle that we will never be serious challengers , instead , condemned to the odd stirring victory like yesterday to content ourselves with .
I'm lucky enough to have witnessed and enjoyed Carlton premierships , unfortunately a growing number of our younger supporters have not .
Who's willing to pay the price ?? I bet those young folk are ...
 

Log in to remove this ad.

Anyone see Cripps play yesterday ?
Anyone see Brayshaw play today ?
How about Hogan and Cameron and O'Meara ?
We haven't even seen Petracca yet ...
These are the quality players that you need to build a side around capable of consistently challenging for top 4 and ultimately premierships .
There's only one way you get these guys ,
Draft picks ... top end draft picks !!!
SOS knows this and knows what he has to do to get them .
We might have some tough decisions and hard yards in front of us in the next few years , but if we can't handle that we will never be serious challengers , instead , condemned to the odd stirring victory like yesterday to content ourselves with .
I'm lucky enough to have witnessed and enjoyed Carlton premierships , unfortunately a growing number of our younger supporters have not .
Who's willing to pay the price ?? I bet those young folk are ...


Meh

Melbourne had plenty of high draft picks before
 
Anyone see Cripps play yesterday ?
Anyone see Brayshaw play today ?
How about Hogan and Cameron and O'Meara ?
We haven't even seen Petracca yet ...
These are the quality players that you need to build a side around capable of consistently challenging for top 4 and ultimately premierships .
There's only one way you get these guys ,
Draft picks ... top end draft picks !!!
SOS knows this and knows what he has to do to get them .
We might have some tough decisions and hard yards in front of us in the next few years , but if we can't handle that we will never be serious challengers , instead , condemned to the odd stirring victory like yesterday to content ourselves with .
I'm lucky enough to have witnessed and enjoyed Carlton premierships , unfortunately a growing number of our younger supporters have not .
Who's willing to pay the price ?? I bet those young folk are ...

Doesn't mean throwing out good players like hendo and yaz, themselves top 10 picks, is the answer. In fact I think we would be stupid to trade them willingly.

Using the first two draft picks we get automatically should be enough.

You picked out select young guns of the comp who were all absolute top picks, but we have also seen plenty of top 20 picks bust.

Looking at teams like hawthorn, Sydney and Freo, actually the key to their success is game plan and developing later picks and rookies into solid players.
 
Doesn't mean throwing out good players like hendo and yaz, themselves top 10 picks, is the answer. In fact I think we would be stupid to trade them willingly.

Using the first two draft picks we get automatically should be enough.

You picked out select young guns of the comp who were all absolute top picks, but we have also seen plenty of top 20 picks bust.

Looking at teams like hawthorn, Sydney and Freo, actually the key to their success is game plan and developing later picks and rookies into solid players.

October might be a good time for you to take your holidays ...
 
Does anyone have a statistic on first round draft picks becoming 150 - 200 gamers. I feel the AFL draft is very hit and miss. unlike the NBA where you get a top 5 pick you are gonna get a good player. (obviously there are those that miss completely in the NBA just look up Kwame Brown)
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Its not about hitting our first rounders. Thats a help for sure.

But its about hitting the later picks and the rookie draft.

We've done it before with players like Jamison, Betts and Garlett

But its time Carlton hit a gem like a Fyfe or Parker with a pick that most on here would scoff at


Hit our first two picks and then find a best 22 player somewhere later - Rice and SoSoS will help with that this year but we have to do it every year
 
Where is Whiley at now that Cripps has sown up a midfield position and Graham is on the cusp of doing so also.

Will he have to wait until Carrazzo retires before being given another chance?

I'd say so. Carrazzo was good yesterday, but i'd be surprised if he goes on next year. Could see Whiley coming in next year to replace him. Holman has also been playing good footy in the VFL and is pushing pretty hard for a recall.
 
Does anyone have a statistic on first round draft picks becoming 150 - 200 gamers. I feel the AFL draft is very hit and miss. unlike the NBA where you get a top 5 pick you are gonna get a good player. (obviously there are those that miss completely in the NBA just look up Kwame Brown)

Big difference is that players drafted to NBA are usually at the end of college and 21 so ready to step into being a pro.
 
Big difference is that players drafted to NBA are usually at the end of college and 21 so ready to step into being a pro.
true. But best player in world at moment didn't go to college. ;)
I think thats the flaw is our system we dont really know how some of these young 16-18 year old players are going to adapt to bigger bodies. And might be reason recruiters are looking for mature aged recruits more now then ever.
 
I'm lucky enough to have witnessed and enjoyed Carlton premierships , unfortunately a growing number of our younger supporters have not .
Who's willing to pay the price ?? I bet those young folk are ...

As my cousin said to me yesterday in a similar vein that reminded me of my American mother figure (RIP) about her beloved Boston Celtics (around 2002 when they made the playoffs and were building a good team for the first time since the Bird era) it's not the youngsters who will be paying - they've not had the success to know what the price is but rather it is the older people, those who have seen the club at the top and who may not have the time left to do pay that type of price. Bob Cousy at around the same time openly questioned whether he would ever see another champion Celtics team. Red Auerbach died in the October before the Celtics made the Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen trades and won their most recent championship. We owe it to our past champions to put the club into at the very least a position that they can be proud of if not on the cusp or over the line for a premiership squad before they pass away.

It's funny what a win does. One week - well almost all season - you're down in the dumps and the next you're openly questioning how potentially closer you are to having a successful side. Personally, I think it speaks volumes of the temperament of the team that was coached by Mick Malthouse and a new guy, albeit one who was an assistant under Mick, and the fresh delivery and direction that he has given the club. Maybe Barker isn't the long term solution and I personally probably wouldn't be resigning him after this year but a pat on the back for the job that he has done thus far.

The team is better than we thought it was. It's no where near contending. But we may not necessarily have to do it with top picks. Cripps himself wasn't a top pick. I'd like to see us push ahead playing the type of football Barker has us playing now and put our faith into SOS and his team for finding and drafting the right talent. If that means we get pick 5 or 6 rather than pick 1 or 2 then so be it. It's got to be a better atmosphere at the club than a month ago.
 
Big difference is that players drafted to NBA are usually at the end of college and 21 so ready to step into being a pro.

Not true. This year is going to be like most years. The draft is dominated by the underclassmen.

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

The top three picks this year are expected to be freshmen two of which would likely have nominated immediately out of high school had they had the choice (Jahlil Okafor and D'Angelo Russell, I read that Karl Anthony-Towns was committed to at least a year of college while he was in high school). The fourth pick is a 20 year old from Latvia, followed by another two freshmen, a sophomore and yet another freshman. In fact, on the big board the highest regarded senior, Deion Wright, isn't expected to be drafted until the late teens (or later) and there are only three juniors (third year of college) before him.

For the most part the NBA draftees are a year or so older than AFL draftees. Considering the amount of pressure these kids are under it's comparable to a first year AFL player who is expected to start learning their place in the world. In fact, I'd suggest that the NBA lifestyle places these kids under a hell of a lot more pressure (that's not to suggest that young AFL players have it lightly but they're not exactly concerned with having millions of dollars).
 
All to stay thanks.

3 really good players who are still only around 25, plenty of good footy ahead of them.

Barker has publicly stated yarran is required, which they don't normally do when they are looking to trade them, unusual if it's a ploy to increase his price.

If it's because yarran wants to leave, then that's another story and we have to get the best we can from a trade
Barker can publicly state as much as he likes... it isnt his job. Sos is the one who is going to be making the decisions on who will be staying and who will be going. If he decides that Yarran is staying, then it is going to be someone like Henderson who is going.
 
Funnily we only won one of our flags with the draft
And it was with a team that had been together for at least 5 years as well... with the core of the side having come from either the very start of the draft or from just before the draft was introduced.
 
If big Kruezar keeps playing like he did then a rival club might put up another trade that will get us a top 5 pick as compo.. That then becomes a very interesting scenario. IMO unless the rival bid is big enough to guarantee us a top 5 pick then we should match the offer and keep him, however if we get the pick we should take it and thank Matty for his services.
 
Barker can publicly state as much as he likes... it isnt his job. Sos is the one who is going to be making the decisions on who will be staying and who will be going. If he decides that Yarran is staying, then it is going to be someone like Henderson who is going.
Yarran looked good on Saturday, but it looks like he's still playing angry. Not sure where his head is at and i think he might be the most intriging player to watch at seasons end.
 
Fact is if Henderson wants to leave to play for a Geelong or any other top 4 team (for eg) then it ain't going to happen. They will not be able to offer him a huge fee and Carlton will easily match it. If he is after money then Brisbane could be in the box seat. Just sign the contract Lachy and let's move on.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Remove this Banner Ad

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top