List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

[mediumsizered]

Look we won a final only 2years ago, the AFL commission takes into account the period of time a club has been in the lower rungs of the ladder. Now considering that Melbourne (up until this season) had been constantly awful for 8 years and didn't get a PP last year, there is no way in hell the Commission can justify giving us one. And nor should Brisbane get one either.

Now, being unpopular here, if we let Kruezer go to another club as a Free Agent, I would be very confident we would get a top 5 pick as compo.

Does this club and SOS and McKay have the stones to make the right call for the long term benefit of the club and let MK go.

I love Kruezer as much as the next person, but logic suggests he won't be a part of our next premiership team, and his history of chronic injuries would make it a big risk to re-sign him (on the money his management is reportedly fielding from other clubs)

We have to start making tough/unpopular calls. Our premiership window is so far away that I honestly feel we can afford to let Kruezer go, especially if it means cashing in on band 1 compo.

St Kilda made tough calls letting Goddard and Dal Santo go, and (today aside) are finally starting to see the dividends on their hard decision to let popular club champions go.

Both Goddard & Dal Santo were nearing the end of their career. Kreuzer is in the prime years of his career & if he can stay relatively injury free, should give us another 5-6 years of good football.

If we were silly enough to let Kreuzer go (not that he has any intention of going), we would most likely have to keep Warnock & it would be a toss up between him & Wood as to who would be our number one ruck. Last night showed us how far off Wood really is when it comes to the best rucks in the competition & we have all seen Warnock's recent efforts as a ruckman.

Kreuzer must be retained at all costs & the search must begin for a young ruckman who can succeed Kreuzer as #1 ruckman in 5-6 years' time.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Both Goddard & Dal Santo were nearing the end of their career. Kreuzer is in the prime years of his career & if he can stay relatively injury free, should give us another 5-6 years of good football.

If we were silly enough to let Kreuzer go (not that he has any intention of going), we would most likely have to keep Warnock & it would be a toss up between him & Wood as to who would be our number one ruck. Last night showed us how far off Wood really is when it comes to the best rucks in the competition & we have all seen Warnock's recent efforts as a ruckman.

Kreuzer must be retained at all costs & the search must begin for a young ruckman who can succeed Kreuzer as #1 ruckman in 5-6 years' time.

Only flaw with this is that history suggests that young rucks tend to get pinched by rival clubs. They are vulnerable because they are not ready early to play senior AFL, yet get impatient about lack of game time. If we did go down this route then we would need to play him early and put up with him getting physically bullied by other rucks.

 

[therubbernub]

I would be in favour of a reverse compo formula. So if a premiership side lost a top player, they would get pick 18 , The other grand finalist would deserve pick 17 PP.
3rd would get pp pick 16 etc. Down to the wooden spoon getting the number one draft pick.

 

[Blue Flame]

Is Currie an option as a ruck?

 

[BlueMaster1]

Probably been mention before but we will get Aish for nothing right ?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Probably been mention before but we will get Aish for nothing right ?

Yep, Aish, Carlisle and Fyfe all are dying to get here and we will get them all for nothing...

 

[HARKER]

Probably been mention before but we will get Aish for nothing right ?

I don't think anyone knows what will happen anywhere yet, let alone on the Aish issue alone.

It's possible that someone may come via the PSD but that's not really a desirable method of attracting a player you really want..............not for the player...........not for the manager and not for the other club.
Swann was very strong in forcing the issue of letting a player go for nothing than to go for unders again...........I believe him.
We won't get Aish for a pick in the 20's nor in the PSD should we not finish last.

 

[Zende11]

Is Currie an option as a ruck?

I think he would be good as a second ruck to Kreuzer, they played together at knights which is a bonus.
We could even try him forward as a Jenkins type, He might not be agile enough but he has sticky hands when on.

 

[BluesRule]

I don't think anyone knows what will happen anywhere yet, let alone on the Aish issue alone.

It's possible that someone may come via the PSD but that's not really a desirable method of attracting a player you really want..............not for the player...........not for the manager and not for the other club.
Swann was very strong in forcing the issue of letting a player go for nothing than to go for unders again...........I believe him.
We won't get Aish for a pick in the 20's nor in the PSD should we not finish last.

Aish is young and has talent but has not shown enough to justify being worth a low pick. So what is unders? If he is worth pick #15 - 20 then we can offer the low end of that. If someone offers more then we lose out, but I do not think it is an insulting offer. I guess Adelaide and Port can offer more, but will they?

 

[DaVillaBlues]

So I assume we on trade the first rounder we will get for Henderson for Carlisle?

As it stands now, reckon Jakey C is a better fit for our club going forwards than Hendo, he seems more of a competitor and less prone to dropping his bundle..

I know he was poor today, but really warming to the idea of having Carlisle at Carlton TBH.

 

[Zende11]

We should throw some money at Tom Mitchell to start building an elite midfield.

Cripps, Mitchell, Aish, Graham and Boek is a good crop of young mids to start with, then next year aim to add another two at least.

If not Mitchell we should chase Charlie Dixon he and Weitering (Spelling?) would be amazing.

 

[Kramer1]

1000 monkeys could have typed for 1000 years and not summed up Kreuzer better than Barker...unconditional...just beautiful.

 

[Zende11]

So I assume we on trade the first rounder we will get for Henderson for Carlisle?

As it stands now, reckon Jakey C is a better fit for our club going forwards than Hendo, he seems more of a competitor and less prone to dropping his bundle..

I know he was poor today, but really warming to the idea of having Carlisle at Carlton TBH.

It would be good If we got Carlisle and kept Henderson we need both. Imagine those two plus Weitering, Docherty, Simpson and Buckly as our back 6.

 

[ferrisb]

1000 monkeys could have typed for 1000 years and not summed up Kreuzer better than Barker...unconditional...just beautiful.

He was the best of ruckmen, he was the BLURST of ruckmen?!?!

You stupid monkey!

 

[RedFury]

1000 monkeys could have typed for 1000 years and not summed up Kreuzer better than Barker...unconditional...just beautiful.

You just summed up bigfooty in the year 3000!

 

[bluekidjoe]

I'm gonna have a look:
Trade Hendo for pick 10 and Yarran for pick 16.
2, 10, 16, 20.
Draft Weitering with pick 2.
Trade 10 and Warnock for Carlisle (wouldn't reach us in PSD, Lions would take him).
Trade 16 for Aish or take him PSD if Lions don't budge.

If this eventuates we'll have Weitering and Carlisle as FB and CHB, another A grader in the middle and the added possibility of Rice and SOSOS to add to HBF and third forward stocks.

Btw, Carlisle might get a year ban but it's worth it imo, we ain't setting the world on fire in a hurry.

In a coupla years...
Buckley, Carlisle, Giles
Tuohy, Weitering, Byrne
Docherty(vc), Cripps(c), Aish
Bell, Casboult, Boekhorst
Menzel, Jaksch, Silvagni

Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy

Thomas, Everitt, Sheehan, Graham

...most of this probs won't happen but there's not much else to do atm

 

[HBF]

Playing with the predictor, I reckon it will come down to percentage for bottom spot if we beat Brisbane. Bottom three still way up in the air.

Exciting stuff!!!

Carlton v Brisbane will be an awful game.

 

[HBF]

You just summed up bigfooty in the year 3000!

Pretty sure Thy will be still be posting as well.

 

[Coona Blues]

Carlton v Brisbane will be an awful game.

Will be a great game, one way or another. Either a victory or No. 1 in the draft and PSD options.

Other reason, I am starved of any opportunity for live footy, while you lot get to go to multiple
games every week if you so desire. One of the very few games I can get to (only 4 1/2 hour drive)
and the only one this season. Even if we are playing crap, there is always a positive to find (ie Boek, Kreuze
and Murph on Saturday night).

Note only game seen Blues live was Gold Coast 2013...hoping for better.

 

[ESKIE]

I'm gonna have a look:
Trade Hendo for pick 10 and Yarran for pick 16.
2, 10, 16, 20.
Draft Weitering with pick 2.
Trade 10 and Warnock for Carlisle (wouldn't reach us in PSD, Lions would take him).
Trade 16 for Aish or take him PSD if Lions don't budge.

If this eventuates we'll have Weitering and Carlisle as FB and CHB, another A grader in the middle and the added possibility of Rice and SOSOS to add to HBF and third forward stocks.

Btw, Carlisle might get a year ban but it's worth it imo, we ain't setting the world on fire in a hurry.

In a coupla years...
Buckley, Carlisle, Giles
Tuohy, Weitering, Byrne
Docherty(vc), Cripps(c), Aish
Bell, Casboult, Boekhorst
Menzel, Jaksch, Silvagni

Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy

Thomas, Everitt, Sheehan, Smith

...most of this probs won't happen but there's not much else to do atm

Pick 10 & warlock for Carlisle

 

[Moody Blue]

There is an article in the Herald Sun suggesting a scenario where we could give Henderson to Geelong for their 1st draft pick, and then on sell it to the Lions for Aish. If we do this then we may as well just pack it up. The days of trading draft picks are over.

 

[Moody Blue]

Pick 10 & warlock for Carlisle

Recruit Carlisle with a potential 6month-1 year ban hanging over his head? Pretty risky.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Aish is young and has talent but has not shown enough to justify being worth a low pick. So what is unders? If he is worth pick #15 - 20 then we can offer the low end of that. If someone offers more then we lose out, but I do not think it is an insulting offer. I guess Adelaide and Port can offer more, but will they?

SEN had MM on this morning,who correctly said that AISH current value is late second rounder on current form regardless where he was drafted.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

SEN had MM on this morning,who correctly said that AISH current value is late second rounder on current form regardless where he was drafted.

That logic is a double edged sword with Yarran and Henderson potentially on the market.

 

[1981]

That logic is a double edged sword with Yarran and Henderson potentially on the market.

Sorry but you're both wrong

Mick said Aish hadn't proved a thing yet, which is true

Hendo and Yarran however everyone knows can play its just that right now for obvious reasons they're not performing

And to an earlier post who said Aish is worth around pick 15?... If that's the case then Yarran is worth pick 5!!