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List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc
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THE PAST
Robert Warnock - contract expires, delist or trade
Andrew Carrazzo - retiring at end of season
Chris Judd - retired
David Ellard - being delisted at end of season
Ed Curnow - contract expires, delist or trade
Matthew Watson - contract expires, delist or trade
Blaine Johnson - contract expires, delist
Fraser Russell - don't waste my time !!
Mathew Dick - delist
THE PRESENT
Dennis Armfield - 29yo whose contract expires this year, subject to other movements, may get another year
Jason Tutt - very poor recruiting decision, play in the 2nds till contract runs out in 2016 or delist now
Zach Touhy - contracted till 2016, trade at any time subject to offer
Cameron Wood - play till contract runs out in 2016
Levi Casboult - contracted till 2016, trade now whilst we can
Kade Simpson - contracted till 2016, retire then
Sam Rowe - play till contract runs out in 2016
Andrew Walker - play till contract runs out in 2017, trade at any time if possible
Michael Jamison - play till contract runs out in 2017, trade at any time if possible
Dale Thomas - play till contract runs out in 2017
Liam Jones - very poor recruiting decision, play in the seconds till contract runs out in 2017
Marc Murphy - contracted till 2018, only trade if an offer too good to refuse is received
Bryce Gibbs - contracted till 2019, trade next year
Ciaran Sheehan - sign him for one year
Simon White - play till he retires in a year or two
THE FUTURE
Dylan Buckley
Andrejs Everitt
Sam Docherty
Nick Graham
Patrick Cripps
Cameron Giles
Matthew Kreuzer
Kristian Jaksch
Mark Whiley
Nick Holman
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Clem Smith
Ciaran Byrne
Blaine Boekhorst
THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE
Chris Yarran - trade to Freo in exchange for Alex Pearce
Lachie Henderson - trade to highest bidder, must get a first-rounder in return
Troy Menzel - trade now whilst his currency is still high, worth a first-rounder
Tom Bell - trade to one of the QLD clubs, get a decent player in return
THE UNKNOWN
Jayden Foster
Tom Fields
Brad Walsh
Billy Gowers
THE DRAFT & TRADES
- two mid-sized utlities
- three young project ruckman
- four young key position players
- five young inside mids
Robert Warnock - contract expires, delist or trade
Andrew Carrazzo - retiring at end of season
Chris Judd - retired
David Ellard - being delisted at end of season
Ed Curnow - contract expires, delist or trade
Matthew Watson - contract expires, delist or trade
Blaine Johnson - contract expires, delist
Fraser Russell - don't waste my time !!
Mathew Dick - delist
THE PRESENT
Dennis Armfield - 29yo whose contract expires this year, subject to other movements, may get another year
Jason Tutt - very poor recruiting decision, play in the 2nds till contract runs out in 2016 or delist now
Zach Touhy - contracted till 2016, trade at any time subject to offer
Cameron Wood - play till contract runs out in 2016
Levi Casboult - contracted till 2016, trade now whilst we can
Kade Simpson - contracted till 2016, retire then
Sam Rowe - play till contract runs out in 2016
Andrew Walker - play till contract runs out in 2017, trade at any time if possible
Michael Jamison - play till contract runs out in 2017, trade at any time if possible
Dale Thomas - play till contract runs out in 2017
Liam Jones - very poor recruiting decision, play in the seconds till contract runs out in 2017
Marc Murphy - contracted till 2018, only trade if an offer too good to refuse is received
Bryce Gibbs - contracted till 2019, trade next year
Ciaran Sheehan - sign him for one year
Simon White - play till he retires in a year or two
THE FUTURE
Dylan Buckley
Andrejs Everitt
Sam Docherty
Nick Graham
Patrick Cripps
Cameron Giles
Matthew Kreuzer
Kristian Jaksch
Mark Whiley
Nick Holman
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Clem Smith
Ciaran Byrne
Blaine Boekhorst
THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE
Chris Yarran - trade to Freo in exchange for Alex Pearce
Lachie Henderson - trade to highest bidder, must get a first-rounder in return
Troy Menzel - trade now whilst his currency is still high, worth a first-rounder
Tom Bell - trade to one of the QLD clubs, get a decent player in return
THE UNKNOWN
Jayden Foster
Tom Fields
Brad Walsh
Billy Gowers
THE DRAFT & TRADES
- two mid-sized utlities
- three young project ruckman
- four young key position players
- five young inside mids
AceAndy
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Matty, we have to turn the list over and there is nothing to be gained by retaining players who have been at the club for many years and still haven't fired a shot.
I'm not sure how you would go about "rebuilding" a list from the ground up if you don't turn over the players in a systematic & ruthless manner ??
I sense that SOS will be even more savage given his scathing assessments of the list.
The fact that Jaksch, Whiley, Holman, Viojo-Rainbow and Smith form a large chunk of the 'Future' section terrifies me.
I'm sure there are a number of people who think the same but we have to start somewhere.
Not every player will kick-on and become regular senior players but we have to back-in Bolton to develop some of them to a new level as that is something he is widely regarded in doing.
it's early doors, I think some of them will become very good players. We can't discard people just 1-2 years into their career, that is baby with bathwater stuff!
I would also stick with Casboult, the decision to get him a kicking coach after just 6 years at our club was inspired, outside the square thinking.
- Aug 22, 2014
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Thanks Christ you're not running things at the club right now - we'd go into 2016 without a forward line...
I don't disagree with the split between past, present and future, but I reckon the "present" group need to be phased out over the next 3-4 years as their replacements mature, rather than being cut adrift ASAP.
Not writing any of them off by any means, just haven't been overly impressed by any of them and I think a lot would have to change before any of them could be considered quality AFL players. Hopefully Bolton is the man to get the very best out of them.
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For me Jaksch and Whiley have not been that impressive given they have been around for a couple of years at GWS and what we gave up (pick 7 & 19?).
Have not really seen much of the other three so perhaps a little early to judge.
Out of the five would like to think we get 2 very good long term players , just not sure which ones.
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I don't always see eye to camel with Sheiky, but I think he's pretty spot on here. I probably disagree the most with Thuoy and Casboult (and even then I can understand TS's thinking), but otherwise I would have roughly the same ratings.
But more important than specific player ratings is the overall categorisations.
Guys like Simpson, Jamo etc are good enough to be best 22 at the moment, still playing serviceable footy and there is no real depth pushing them out. But while they are every bit a part of our current team, they are not part of the list we need to build. They are not ready for retirement yet but they are on borrowed time until a younger, almost-equal player can take their place.
When we are drafting / trading, we need to be firmly focused on that 'future nucleus' group not the overall list. I could make an argument we have KPD covered with Jamo, Rowe, White, Giles, Jaksch. But if you look to the future we only really have a still unproven Giles and developing Jaksch (who might be a fwd). My my, the cupboard is bare. Decisions have to be heavily weighted to what the list might look like in 3 years IMHO
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Based on your ideal changes, we offload Walker, Casboult, Henderson, Menzel and Watson ASAP, and play Jones in the reserves.
So our forward line is made up of who? Jaksch, Everitt and the seagulls that congregate in the forward pocket?
As I said, happy enough with the general groupings, but I reckon we need to be very careful in how quickly we bring the youth through. I'd rather play Jones, Watson, Walker, Casboult etc. for 3 years and let a few young forwards build some synergy together in the reserves. Our sustained success will be determined by the standard we set in our developmental environment, rather than chucking kids into the seniors and hoping they make a decent fist of it.
So our forward line is made up of who? Jaksch, Everitt and the seagulls that congregate in the forward pocket?
As I said, happy enough with the general groupings, but I reckon we need to be very careful in how quickly we bring the youth through. I'd rather play Jones, Watson, Walker, Casboult etc. for 3 years and let a few young forwards build some synergy together in the reserves. Our sustained success will be determined by the standard we set in our developmental environment, rather than chucking kids into the seniors and hoping they make a decent fist of it.
What's wrong with any of these names? I think Whiley gave us a good glimpse this week and the rest are very promising works in progress. Hawthorn are the only ones allowed to leave players in the VFL to develop?
Players are only moved on if a suitable trade comes up, otherwise they play till their contract expires.
Can't see this happening.
He is one of a small handful of players that has an equal share of detractors and fans.
Thought Curnow was awesome on the weekend running back to lay tackles and put on pressure in the defensive 50. I think our list is a long way from pushing him out due to poor skills.
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Why is a Category B listed player wasting your time?
No harm done from my reckoning............and Curnow won't be chopped. As if we're going to find 10 elite ball users from day 1
No harm done from my reckoning............and Curnow won't be chopped. As if we're going to find 10 elite ball users from day 1
I think a lot of people tend to focus on who we may be parting company with but forget to consider who we may be bringing in to replace them.
There is plenty of speculation to suggest Carlisle from Essendon will be wearing Navy Blue next year and who knows what might happen with some of the other mooted trades (ie. Bell to QLD should result in a player swap).
There is plenty of speculation to suggest Carlisle from Essendon will be wearing Navy Blue next year and who knows what might happen with some of the other mooted trades (ie. Bell to QLD should result in a player swap).
Is he really going to make it though Harks ??
We have been trying to land players via alternative methods for some time with not much success, maybe we should just focus on bringing in pure footballers for the next few years before we try another "exotic".
- Aug 22, 2014
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Maybe a little clarity as to what a "suitable trade" is then?
Assumedly you want draft picks. Which gets us more kids. We're not going to get a Patton for Casboult type trade done, so trading said players for players is only going to bring in more "average" talent.
We need to create an environment for newly drafted players to thrive in, which means they need to have role models to learn from, and be afforded appropriate time and opportunities to develop their skills away from intense media scrutiny.
We absolutely need to turn the list over, but we need to make sure it remains as balanced as possible along the way. Gold Coast went hard at youth without a whole lot of senior support and you can see what happened there. GWS played it better (under SOS) by playing a number of experienced players alongside their young talent to ensure they learnt what it was to be an AFL player.
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That's always a very good point and I don't think our List Manger will waver from this approach
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I don't think Cat B's can be chopped after one year....or is that just International Cat B's? I don't know.
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