List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

[BluStreak]

I should add I think his second efforts aren't quite instinctive. More than a handful of contests where he goes in for the initial but is caught standing and watching after the ball hits the deck. Needs to clean that part of his game up.

Read others say that as well and I saw that in the replays, but mainly it was when he was playing in the forward line or leading down the wings.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Actually... just thinking about it... with Bolton coming on board, we might suddenly swing back into contention with Bailey Rice... and we are going to need more second and third round picks. It would be interesting to bundle White and Warnock together and try and flog them off to Essendon*. God knows Essendon* are going to need players and if we could flog them off for Essendon*'s second and third picks or even third and forth picks, that would give us enough cover if some team comes along and tries to kerzump us for Bailey.

Be kind to your players, Dramoth

 

[FoeverBlues]

I thought Tutt went ok for the whole match. Sold himself into trouble a few times but acquitted himself quite well. I think that with some decent development into him, he will definitely turn into an upgrade on Ellard (another one that will go out the door come the end of the season I think).

I dont think that he is quite as quick as Armfield, but when he has a bit of time to look around, he can hit up targets with excellent accuracy.

Just tell Tutt he playing for GWS today and we be OK

 

[FoeverBlues]

Surely Kreuz will stay, it doesn't make any sense for him to leave. Knocked back over $1mil a year to go to GWS, has on many, many occasions stated his love for the club, desire to be a one club player and intent on staying. I imagine Carlton have low balled him and what we saw in the press conference was instructions by his management to help drive his price a little higher.

From memory I read / heard that when SOS came on board he was shocked at what some of our players were earning, I guess he is correcting that now.

..but isn't that the fault of AFL minimum cap payment. Clubs have to spend min 85% of cap payment???

 

[McCraeBF]

Hi Guys think you are in an amazing Position with Cripps and a core off class players to bounce back very very fast..

Wow Carlton are in a great position to re launch the club using compensation picks think of this...

They finish bottom then

loose in a good way Kruzer to Dogs compensation pick 2
loose in a good way Henderson to Cats compensation pick 3

Trade Menzel to Port Adelaide pick 8

Swap pick 20 for Carlise Essendon

So hows this Draft for the Blues

Pick 1.Weitering
Pick 2.Schache
Pick 3.Paish
pick 8.Collins or Curnow
Pick 20.Carlise
Pick 39.Rice(FS)
Pick 57.Silvani (FS)

That would be the best draft any Club has had outside GWS and Gold Coast in History

 

[Hussey14]

Hi Guys think you are in an amazing Position with Cripps and a core off class players to bounce back very very fast..

Wow Carlton are in a great position to re launch the club using compensation picks think of this...

They finish bottom then

loose in a good way Kruzer to Dogs compensation pick 2
loose in a good way Henderson to Cats compensation pick 3

Trade Menzel to Port Adelaide pick 8

Swap pick 20 for Carlise Essendon

So hows this Draft for the Blues

Pick 1.Weitering
Pick 2.Schache
Pick 3.Paish
pick 8.Collins or Curnow
Pick 20.Carlise
Pick 39.Rice(FS)
Pick 57.Silvani (FS)

That would be the best draft any Club has had outside GWS and Gold Coast in History

Hendo not a free agent.
Not sure we would let Menzel go or port give us 8 for him, the rest looks about right

 

[McCraeBF]

Wow I forgot Yarram another 1st round selection....

 

[FoeverBlues]

Hi Guys think you are in an amazing Position with Cripps and a core off class players to bounce back very very fast..

Wow Carlton are in a great position to re launch the club using compensation picks think of this...

They finish bottom then

loose in a good way Kruzer to Dogs compensation pick 2
loose in a good way Henderson to Cats compensation pick 3

Trade Menzel to Port Adelaide pick 8

Swap pick 20 for Carlise Essendon

So hows this Draft for the Blues

Pick 1.Weitering
Pick 2.Schache
Pick 3.Paish
pick 8.Collins or Curnow
Pick 20.Carlise
Pick 39.Rice(FS)
Pick 57.Silvani (FS)

That would be the best draft any Club has had outside GWS and Gold Coast in History

Except Hendo is not a FA so get Cats 1st only but can PSD Carlise

 

[bluekidjoe]

Would we give Bell and 3 for 2 to shore up Weitering?

 

[zeggie]

IMHO if yarran, menzel, bell etc are wanting to go in even the slightest then let them go.

We are working on a positive environment moving forward with Bolton which we arguably havent had for a while under MM and we need everyone 100% on board.

Even if we restore glory to the club all the bad memories may hold them back. Change is as good as a holiday. We've seen this with Mitch, Betts and Garlett.

 

[teknodeejay]

Is Bailey Rice really looking at choosing the Saints? That's disappointing if so.

 

[Big Sim]

Band 1 for a guy who has been absolutely average his entire career? egads!

Egads and gadzooks indeed. Crazy system.

 

[bmaurizio]

We'll think very carefully before letting Yaran & Menzel go , both very talented and important players .
Something tells me Bolton will inspire a few boys with his enthusiasm it's contagious , exciting times ahead for the team.
Let's wait and see. Go Baggers

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why do we suddenly have pick #3?

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Egads and gadzooks indeed. Crazy system.

It's a perfectly fine system. It bewilders me that people are bewildered by it.

The Frawley band 1 compo was apparently unfair & unprecedented. Which is utter bullshit, Collingwood got band 1 compo for Daisy the year before (both 26yo, both offered contracts of approx. 2.5mil).

Leuenberger is a couple of years older, so it'll take a larger contract to get him to band 1. A good example would be Dal Santo, who got St Kilda band 2 compo. Leue won't be offered more than Dal was, Brisbane won't get band 1 compo.

Good? Good

 

[Big Sim]

It's a perfectly fine system. It bewilders me that people are bewildered by it.

The Frawley band 1 compo was apparently unfair & unprecedented. Which is utter bullshit, Collingwood got band 1 compo for Daisy the year before (both 26yo, both offered contracts of approx. 2.5mil).

Leuenberger is a couple of years older, so it'll take a larger contract to get him to band 1. A good example would be Dal Santo, who got St Kilda band 2 compo. Leue won't be offered more than Dal was, Brisbane won't get band 1 compo.

Good? Good

Buddy Franklin pick 19. James Frawley pick 3.

And why should the club getting the FA give up nothing while all the other clubs have their draft position weakened?

System is not fine by any stretch.

 

[Blueblood75]

I think Cripps, Nicki G and Doc are up there too with their determination and club love

throw in Buckley even?

 

[zeeCFC]

Is Bailey Rice really looking at choosing the Saints? That's disappointing if so.

He's playing it smart. New draft rule says he can have a choice of the two clubs on draft day.

Say Brisbane bids picks 19 and we don't want to use pick 20. Had he have committed to us he couldn't turn to the Saints and say "please take me now all is forgotten?"

This way he has a better guarantee of staying in Vic and being drafted by one of two clubs he's familiar with. I still think we are his preferredd destination.

 

[toddkurnski]

It's a perfectly fine system. It bewilders me that people are bewildered by it.

The Frawley band 1 compo was apparently unfair & unprecedented. Which is utter bullshit, Collingwood got band 1 compo for Daisy the year before (both 26yo, both offered contracts of approx. 2.5mil).

Leuenberger is a couple of years older, so it'll take a larger contract to get him to band 1. A good example would be Dal Santo, who got St Kilda band 2 compo. Leue won't be offered more than Dal was, Brisbane won't get band 1 compo.

Good? Good

Don't think it's completely right. I am fine with us having to give up true value to get say Silvagni. Why shouldn't Sydney or Hawthorn give up true value using the same system for Franklin or Frawley? What happens at 26 if Silvagni wants to leave (unlikely but could happen). As a KPP he won't get to near his best until 22-23. Three years later he can leave. We get three years out of him, his new club gets 5 maybe 6. At no cost whereas we had to give up a draft pick. We only get that pick replaced as compensation. Burn more time on that pick waiting for the player to develop.

Either compensate and use a points system to lower the draft position of the club receiving the player or get rid of the compensation altogether.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Buddy Franklin pick 19. James Frawley pick 3.

And why should the club getting the FA give up nothing while all the other clubs have their draft position weakened?

System is not fine by any stretch.

So you're saying that Hawthorn have been ripped off by FA and Melbourne have done really well? That doesn't sound right to me

 

[Azul]

Buddy Franklin pick 19. James Frawley pick 3.

And why should the club getting the FA give up nothing while all the other clubs have their draft position weakened?

System is not fine by any stretch.

Free agency doesn't bother me so much. You win some, you lose some.

But now the Northern clubs are going to rort the system big time EVERY SINGLE YEAR with their academies. Not only do Sydney and Brisbane have father/son but they can cherry pick each athletic teen that resides north of the Murray from an early age.

Let's see how fair this bidding system becomes. If I were Trigg I'd sweet-talk Gillion and pledge $10M to set a Carlton-exclusive academy in the top end.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Don't think it's completely right. I am fine with us having to give up true value to get say Silvagni. Why shouldn't Sydney or Hawthorn give up true value using the same system for Franklin or Frawley? What happens at 26 if Silvagni wants to leave (unlikely but could happen). As a KPP he won't get to near his best until 22-23. Three years later he can leave. We get three years out of him, his new club gets 5 maybe 6. At no cost whereas we had to give up a draft pick. We only get that pick replaced as compensation. Burn more time on that pick waiting for the player to develop.

Either compensate and use a points system to lower the draft position of the club receiving the player or get rid of the compensation altogether.

Your first paragraph highlights the issue of players leaving struggling clubs to Sydney / Hawthorn / top of the ladder clubs. Seems very odd that your conclusion is that FA compensation should be scrapped

 

[teknodeejay]

Egads and gadzooks indeed. Crazy system.

 

[F_therest]

Buddy Franklin pick 19. James Frawley pick 3.

Thats a good thing in terms of evening up the competition. Did we really want Hawthorn getting a top 3 pick for Buddy?

 

[Big Sim]

So you're saying that Hawthorn have been ripped off by FA and Melbourne have done really well? That doesn't sound right to me

Where did I say that? I'm saying that the Frawley vs Franklin picks show how flawed the system is, and the I don't think clubs who are not party to the deal should be penalised for it.

Do not like the fact that we lost a good player in Betts to it and got no return at all, the only club so far to be in that position. I understand that the rules are what they are and we chose to go after Daisy but I still don't think its right. Compo for one player compo for all is fair.