Training 2020 Pre Season Training

[Mego Red]

If you can unironically defend Otten's inclusion then I think this is probably where our debate starts and ends...

So, you would have gone into the most important game of the year with a completely different team structure, despite coming off two massive wins?

Interesting perspective. Seems an unusual time to just start throwing the magnets around.

 

[skam85]

So, you would have gone into the most important game of the year with a completely different team structure, despite coming off two massive wins?

Interesting perspective. Seems an unusual time to just start throwing the magnets around.

And tell me, how did that work for us in the game?
Richmond played a debutant in the Grand Final last year.
And tell me, how did that work for Richmond?

Nostradumbass could have seen our selected structure against Richmond's style of play was poor.

 

[Tex200]

The Godden interview is a good listen. Expanded on Jordy - explosive pace but lacks endurance, and mentally doesn’t stay in the game long enough.

Was a decent explanation but geez it’s a worry when a 1st round mid drafted back in 2016 still has fitness issues after 3 pre seasons.

The mental issues too..WTF? So many questions arise from those answers.

 

[Betts are off]

The players love Godden apparently. I was told he is clear with them, shows genuine care and is intent on making them better players (I'd hope that applies to all our coaches but campo showed otherwise).
Now I'm interested to see if Godden has any tactical nous at AFL level.
More freedom. More responsibility. More pressure.

For me, trust and the players buying into what the coach is saying is often more important then tactical nous. At any level there is a big difference in a player giving 100% and a player giving 90%, in the AFL it's astronomical!

And in the last 2 years I felt like the players under the Campo umbrella would be lucky to be giving 90%, especially when the game wasn't on our terms!

Fingers crossed Godden is the anti-Campo in that regard!

 

[Betts are off]

The Godden interview is a good listen. Expanded on Jordy - explosive pace but lacks endurance, and mentally doesn’t stay in the game long enough.

Was a decent explanation but geez it’s a worry when a 1st round mid drafted back in 2016 still has fitness issues after 3 pre seasons.

The mental issues too..WTF? So many questions arise from those answers.

I was always under the impression that he was physically well ahead of most of his peers when drafted!

 

[cleanhands]

For me, trust and the players buying into what the coach is saying is often more important then tactical nous. At any level there is a big difference in a player giving 100% and a player giving 90%, in the AFL it's astronomical!

And in the last 2 years I felt like the players under the Campo umbrella would be lucky to be giving 90%, especially when the game wasn't on our terms!

Fingers crossed Godden is the anti-Campo in that regard!

Can tell you he feels freed up now campo has gone

 

[radiojake]

That's a smack down on Gallucci

I wonder if there are any lingering effects from his concussion against Port?

 

[cleanhands]

That's a smack down on Gallucci

I wonder if there are any lingering effects from his concussion against Port?

Don’t leave any grey areas,hit them straight between the eyes

 

[Vader]

If you can unironically defend Otten's inclusion then I think this is probably where our debate starts and ends...

Selecting Otten allowed them to maintain the same team structure which they'd been using all season - a structure which worked successfully enough to get the team into the Grand Final, on the back of a 40pt win over GWS and a 61pt win over Geelong in the finals.

 

[Betts are off]

The Godden interview is a good listen. Expanded on Jordy - explosive pace but lacks endurance, and mentally doesn’t stay in the game long enough.

Was a decent explanation but geez it’s a worry when a 1st round mid drafted back in 2016 still has fitness issues after 3 pre seasons.

The mental issues too..WTF? So many questions arise from those answers.

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

 

[cleanhands]

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket!

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

I put Milera in a similar position

 

[Vader]

Jordy would now have to realize that he's not in the best 22, hell as of today he's not in the best 34 (26 + Emergencies + Tex, Smith, Sloane, Doedee). And like it or not Godden just gave him the best gift he could get at this point in his career. The hot and ugly spotlight pointed directly at him. He can either use it to light the fire he needs to raise his game. Or wither away under its heat!

The team for Marsh Rd 1 isn't the strongest team we could have selected (even noting the SoO absences). That said, you are correct that he's not currently in our best 34!

 

[Betts are off]

I put Milera in a similar position

Me too, I feel like there is a bunch of players from last year in this category. Milera, Gooch, Poholke. Hell, even Dougy, Gibbs and DMAC.

In retrospect maybe that's why DMAC keeps getting picked, he gets dicked around just as much as any of these guys but his output stays almost identical!

 

[Betts are off]

The team for Marsh Rd 1 isn't the strongest team we could have selected (even noting the SoO absences). That said, you are correct that he's not currently in our best 34!

Yeah, I forgot FOG and Seedsman arent playing as well. Push it out to 36!

 

[cleanhands]

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

Doesn’t excuse him for not being up to mid endurance, that falls on him

 

[radiojake]

are we looking at a Hamish bust?

 

[MRB37]

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

Add in a string of consistent negative feedback on top as well.

I have to admit, I really don't remember Godden speaking at all last year. Maybe I just missed his press conferences, or more likely I suspect Campo and Hart took all the assistant coach media spots. But from the couple times i've heard Godden speak so far I've noticed how exceptionally clear he seems with his expectations of his team and his players. Its quite refreshing after the smoke and mirrors BS we've seen in years gone by.

Often that kind of clarity can be a sharp knife for some players (I suspect Jordy is probably licking his wound right now a bit), but if it cuts through problem of our key young players not knowing their roles then it will push this group forwards lightyears faster then what Campo was achieving.

He was on SEN every couple of weeks, but felt like he was parroting Campo lines to be honest. It's why I never got the feeling he was actually able to do anything he wanted.

 

[Tex200]

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

I think most of that is fair comment.

But, as a professional, he still has an obligation to tick off the fundamentals. In my world we say “be brilliant at the basics”.

He needs to be in a fit state both mentally and physically to accept the challenges you’ve set out, but then also to be ready when something breaks for him.

 

[Thetrader15]

I was always under the impression that he was physically well ahead of most of his peers when drafted!

In the gym yes, but perhaps not on the running front

 

[Thetrader15]

Also, how much do you think the mental issues might be a hangover effect from being told by the previous coaching staff.

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

Lachie Murphy has managed to do what is required of him going from backs to forwards and with much less athletic ability.

As Haggis said, some people hard train to get to the Olympics, others train to win gold at the Olympics....or something like that

 

[Thetrader15]

I think most of that is fair comment.

But, as a professional, he still has an obligation to tick off the fundamentals. In my world we say “be brilliant at the basics”.

He needs to be in a fit state both mentally and physically to accept the challenges you’ve set out, but then also to be ready when something breaks for him.

Correct. He needs to control what he can control, and two of those are mental endurance and physical endurance.

He doesn't need to be Chayce Jones on the running track, but he needs to be as good as he can be and leave nothing to chance

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Probably the best thing I've heard come out of the club in this generation. Public kick up the arse was necessary since whatever he's been told internally aint working. Hasnt got the respect from the coaches at all.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Probably the best thing I've heard come out of the club in this generation. Public kick up the arse was necessary since whatever he's been told internally aint working. Hasnt got the respect from the coaches at all.

I hope this is the new Crows attitude in regards PR and honesty.

 

[BRL121]

Do you have any posts you can link to that backs this up?

This entire board hated Henderson and were cheering for his sacking.

Absolute rubbish!

 

[Mutineer]

"Today you are a clearance midfielder, now you are a forward pocket, now you are a wingman, now you are a HFF, now you are in inside/outside midfielder, now back to forward pocket, and why aren't you elite at all these positions yet? You're a 1st round draft pick aren't you?"

Out of anyone Gooch may be the player who was dicked around the most by his lack of clarity in his position. It might have taken more of a toll on him then others!

Can't agree with any of this....the big problem with Gallucci is his on field performances have never consistently demanded that he be picked for any particular position, apart from flashes where he's shown speed, agility and some nice skills he's more generally been very underwhelming across his AFL games......and then there's his mostly lack lustre SANFL performances where someone with his athletic attributes should really stand out but never has, in fact he's generally been even more underwhelming in the 2's.

The one position we've never tried him is as a running defender across half back, hopefully the brain's trust at the club at least give him some exposure to it in the SANFL which IMO is his best shot at an AFL career.