Training 2020 Pre Season Training

[Mutineer]

Not like the last year with our entire window imploding, our main prospect being changed to defence for a period, and our forward line being completely dysfunctional didn't justify every complaint I had and then some that retaining Lynch was a bad call...

Take out the window imploding, and I'm batting at 100%. I was too much of an optimist to predict that one, as much as I did mention it.

LOL

No it did not, Tom Lynch wasn't the problem and your obsession with him or the role he plays won't change any of that. He was one of a very few that had a reasonably solid year and was certainly not a member of the under-performing group.

 

[Deaneus!]

Hello miscreants

that is all

 

[kulak]

Would our culture allow McAsey to leapfrog Kelly?

We've had a pretty strongly established pecking order system in place.

Interesting to see if Nicks subscribes to it or not

In the unlikely event we are injury free we might give McAsey 2 ish games as a taster

More likely we have some injuries as teams do, and Fisher will get his chance

 

[Mutineer]

In the unlikely event we are injury free we might give McAsey 2 ish games as a taster

More likely we have some injuries as teams do, and Fisher will get his chance

Hartigan undergoes surgery

Crows defender Kyle Hartigan has undergone successful minor ankle surgery

www.afc.com.au

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hartigan undergoes surgery

Crows defender Kyle Hartigan has undergone successful minor ankle surgery

www.afc.com.au

Could be a blessing in disguise...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Could be a blessing in disguise...

It's all falling into place...

Old Us would still pick him for Round 1, even after only playing a quarter of a reserves trial game.

What will New Us do?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Does the word "minor" ever not appear in one of our injury reports?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Does the word "minor" ever not appear in one of our injury reports?

When we used to have awareness....

 

[Scorpus]

Does the word "minor" ever not appear in one of our injury reports?

I believe we've had a few minor ACLs over the years

 

[Thetrader15]

Could be a blessing in disguise...

Or without the disguise...

 

[Thetrader15]

Does the word "minor" ever not appear in one of our injury reports?

Expecting him back in 2 weeks...

Now, where have I heard that before?

 

[Minor Threat]

Apparently David Mackay is training the house down...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Apparently David Mackay is training the house down...

Haha, our new CHB as a vacancy opens.

 

[Samcro24]

Hello miscreants

that is all

literally

 

[Golumless]

LOL

No it did not, Tom Lynch wasn't the problem and your obsession with him or the role he plays won't change any of that. He was one of a very few that had a reasonably solid year and was certainly not a member of the under-performing group.

My obsession is wanting a structure that both prioritises game time to key prospects, and you know, actually works. Something that failed on both accounts in 2019 as we were stuck relying on injuries/bad form (and forcing Jenkins out) to get any prospects in and that forward line was damn broken. Both I called if we stuck to our guns. The two things I got wrong was that Lynch could adapt to being a deeper target, and Jenkins getting forced out the club. The first one because we didn't try, but that fits with a coaching staff who forgot how football works. The second one is very unlucky on my end seeing we had to swallow what is likely a considerable chunk of salary to get rid of Jenkins.

Lynch is someone who looks good on the stat sheet, however, any deeper than that and you'll quickly realise he's a good player who does more damage structurally than whatever positives he offers (and has been the case since we switched away from a four tall base for a forward line). Where the structural breakage occurs in the forward line is Murphy being consistently used a deep target, and that one falls solely on misuse of the third tall if you are operating with three talls (which we are), especially as you are already paying the price for three talls with the lack of defensive coverage.

It's the little things like roles which can completely derail a team of any chance of success that a playing group has, and hence why I am focused on them. I'm not concerned about the under-performing group because they are either a symptom of the problems we had (Sloane, M.Crouch, Laird as examples who all had a down year) or players who would have been in line to be replaced regardless (the Hartigan, Mackay and Atkins of the world). The former problems lied in structure, game plan and with a coaching group that ended up creating a culture of self-survival. The latter is slowly fixed over time by drafting players with a high ceiling, and bringing players in who are better (though of course, there are always more who don't live up to the hype, don't fit into a game plan, or the increase of talent has left them being at the bottom of the barrel).

The only silver lining is the prospect complaint isn't as relevant anymore. By us swallowing salary cap for Jenkins does give Fogarty the forward line spot we needed him to have round 1 last season. Better late than never, though, in typical 2010s Adelaide we couldn't help but punch ourselves in the dick to achieve it.

 

[Mutineer]

My obsession is wanting a structure that both prioritises game time to key prospects, and you know, actually works. Something that failed on both accounts in 2019 as we were stuck relying on injuries/bad form (and forcing Jenkins out) to get any prospects in and that forward line was damn broken. Both I called if we stuck to our guns. The two things I got wrong was that Lynch could adapt to being a deeper target, and Jenkins getting forced out the club. The first one because we didn't try, but that fits with a coaching staff who forgot how football works. The second one is very unlucky on my end seeing we had to swallow what is likely a considerable chunk of salary to get rid of Jenkins.

Lynch is someone who looks good on the stat sheet, however, any deeper than that and you'll quickly realise he's a good player who does more damage structurally than whatever positives he offers (and has been the case since we switched away from a four tall base for a forward line). Where the structural breakage occurs in the forward line is Murphy being consistently used a deep target, and that one falls solely on misuse of the third tall if you are operating with three talls (which we are), especially as you are already paying the price for three talls with the lack of defensive coverage.

It's the little things like roles which can completely derail a team of any chance of success that a playing group has, and hence why I am focused on them. I'm not concerned about the under-performing group because they are either a symptom of the problems we had (Sloane, M.Crouch, Laird as examples who all had a down year) or players who would have been in line to be replaced regardless (the Hartigan, Mackay and Atkins of the world). The former problems lied in structure, game plan and with a coaching group that ended up creating a culture of self-survival. The latter is slowly fixed over time by drafting players with a high ceiling, and bringing players in who are better (though of course, there are always more who don't live up to the hype, don't fit into a game plan, or the increase of talent has left them being at the bottom of the barrel).

The only silver lining is the prospect complaint isn't as relevant anymore. By us swallowing salary cap for Jenkins does give Fogarty the forward line spot we needed him to have round 1 last season. Better late than never, though, in typical 2010s Adelaide we couldn't help but punch ourselves in the dick to achieve it.

 

[Pea Nut]

Does the word "minor" ever not appear in one of our injury reports?

Go read all the other teams injury reports on the AFL website. They are all the same.

 

[Pea Nut]

Apparently David Mackay is training the house down...

Doing ok in the time trial isn't training the house down. With Nicks having a focus on the contest, and inflicting damage on opponents, Davey Mac is going to struggle.

 

[1970crow]

I also remember him standing next to Fyfe at stoppages here in Adelaide. I'll go short of saying he was playing on him, because that would be misleading, as Fyfe ran rampant. CEY had a lot of touches too, but did nothing to stop Fyfe.

Does he have the physical attributes to tag these big guys - sure, but I have never seen the intensity or concentration levels required to stick at it for a whole game or across the whole ground, not just in the clearances

We don’t tag, you’ve never experienced anything resembling him tagging. Give it up, you’re having a crack at a guy for not being good at a role he was never asked to play. How about you compare Thommo v Cripps. Or Sloane v Cripps. Or Crouches v Cripps. Do it. Do it.

 

[1970crow]

I like how much people are willing to suggest Himmelburg as a key defender, considering he's never played a minute as CHB in senior football.

Had Ryan Burton played any defence at all prior to his revelationary year as a defender for Hawks in his rookie year?Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it wont work. Malcolm Blight taught us that much. You’ve been indoctrinated into the Trigg/Chapman culture.

 

[1970crow]

Would our culture allow McAsey to leapfrog Kelly?

We've had a pretty strongly established pecking order system in place.

Interesting to see if Nicks subscribes to it or not

I’d say unlikely. The people that employed Nicks extended Pyke and Campo and believed that Burto was the bestest ever. The odds on them not ****ing this appointment up is slim. My money is Dmac being penned in because Nicks philosophy aligns with Chappo’s.

 

[lunacy]

Milera adds something to the side, Knight doesn't.

Kelly had a great season but he's replaceable.

Sorry I was meaning strong in terms of fitness levels not football ability. I agree with your comments 100%.

 

[mistylake]

What we complained about is picking guys like Douglas, Mackay, Jenkins and to a lesser extent Otten because he hardly played.

We gave what 6 games to Jones, only 1 in position, 3 to Fog, 1 to Davis and 2 to Pohohkle. We have exposed our list to very little AFL football so we can hardly evaluate our list and how they will go, hell we don’t even know if Gallucci is going to make it after 3 years.

Therefore to place any expectation that this list of juniors will make us better is unknown, because not only are they not exposed, we will have to play a bunch at once because or poor development.

And we were a 12th ranked side, Melbourne and Saints who were below us recruited well, we recruited no one but lost players.

Cop some injuries and we will be f’ed. Of course I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think so. Also even if this happens I’m not going to put it down to not rating the list, it will be due to lack of experience, we will only really know in 2-3 years time.

Have you forgotten that for half the year most of the team didn’t even try.
Before that we were top 4.
A new coach and a little enthusiasm should see a few extra wins alone.
I think we’ll finish in the 8 just.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I reckon Gooch would have to be more Douglas role, midfield with some time at HFF. He's probably one who is praying that under Nicks, half-forward isn't a wasteland.

Could be that player that breaks out under a new Coach ?

 

[Elite Crow]

Have you forgotten that for half the year most of the team didn’t even try.
Before that we were top 4.
A new coach and a little enthusiasm should see a few extra wins alone.
I think we’ll finish in the 8 just.

That brief top 4 was misleading.

We had played Freo, Gold Coast, Saints, injury ravaged Port and Richmond and scraped in against Melbourne. We lost at home to Hawks, Cats, West Coast and a shocking away loss to North.

We’ve turned over a lot of experience and have an untried depth.

Meanwhile sides below us in Saints and Melbourne recruited well, who did we recruit?