How much better having Nicks speak over 'the others' sounded genuine
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Clearly Lynch is well respected and liked by the players, so that's probably why he is in there
Overthinking it
Reality: Nicks picked the leadership group as most coaches do
AFC spin: Everyone is really getting along so well these days and everyone agrees with every decision, it really happens so organically with such symbiotic synchronicity it’s hard to tell who even had the idea in the first place
Player vote under Pyke
This year it looks to be that Nicks selected the full leadership group.
players vote for the leadership group. The coaches select the captain and it’s then ratified at board level. Players do not select the captain.
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It's not about whether he plays or not, it's about him being able to concentrate on himself.
Take the other responsibility away. It's worth noting that as good as we think Tex has been as captain our on field standards have dived, it's time for a change.
I don't think you can say "I would have player X as a leader over player Y" either. Smith has always struck me as a guy everyone gets along with and is easily approachable. Seems like the players think as much too.
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I don't really understand those people that think there is a right and wrong way to enjoy AFL.
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Nicks said that there was a players vote in the video - but I agree it sounded a bit more like they used that to help them make a decision, not that it was the be all and end all.
I think if you take up supporting a team, you should at least understand the club's history, it's playing list etc. The kind of casual supporters I was talking about don't care enough to do that and forget everything that isn't immediately in front of them. Is it the "wrong" way to enjoy AFL? Not really but it is lazy.
Players voted on who they wanted. Nicks said based on the votes Talia and Tex would have been in the group. But after he had conversations with them he had decided that it was in the clubs best interest to not have them included and bring in Doedee and Smith. Tex and Talia were in agreement.
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You said the leadership group - the VCs - was a player vote
I am saying that was only the case under Pyke
It is no longer the case under Nicks, Nicks selected the leadership group
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Not according to Nicks. Players voted the guys in, from there Nicks selected the captain.
Yes
If you can look past the cynical AFC spin about how great our relationships now are
I see it as a positive. I can live with the AFC spin but I do not want a head coach who is more interested in preserving relationships than anything else
That Nicks has listened and then made his own call is exactly what I would want
Reposting this quote from Nicks in case you missed it in the AFC article and then again when I posted it on the last page:
“In regards to Taylor and Daniel, the feedback from their peers suggested they both could have been included in the leadership group but we have decided it is time to transition and provide leadership opportunities to others.
“They were supportive of the decision and are highly respected members of the playing group, and will continue to provide guidance and advice across the football program.”
https://www.afc.com.au/news/555633
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Thats largely irrelevant to who else is in the group
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I'm happy with the leadership group. It shows the club is moving in a new direction which it must. Happy with everything I've heard out of nicks so far. Just want to see it at selection.
I have to admit that every time I see a bad news story on Cousins there is a part of me that says "serve you right you dirty little drug cheat". '06 was ours, we would've beaten Sydney, but to come out a half time and make VB look like a chasing ruckman and with everything we know now he was on something...argh...getting pissed off now...
Haha, you can’t be serious
It shows it was clearly Nicks’s decision. He listened to input, and then made his own call. Some of his call lined up with the player input, some of it didn’t.
I think the club lost a massive amount of trust last year with fans. All that BS in pre season videos about how happy everyone was, when there was obviously simmering tensions at multiple levels.
They showed themselves to be nothing other than spin merchants and doubled down on that spin right down to when the metaphorical tanks were at the gates. It was only when their hands were forced that something was done.
I wouldn’t believe a single thing coming out of AFC media anymore, especially not how “happy” we all are now.
Personally I’ll assess for myself at the bye. And that’s not necessarily a purely results based assessment either. Regardless of the win/loss count it won’t be hard to see if we’re heading in the right direction.
Exactly
Think your reading too much into that article which did not correctly report what Nicks said.
Go to the Video the article was base on from the 1.20sec mark, it explains it better,
He clearly states at the 1.48sec that they've (Tex and Tals ) made a selfless decision, for the betterment of the group, understanding what is going to make us better as a team.
Beautifully written script starring Matthew Nicks
How do we now that, the Players I have talked to do not feel Nick runs to a script.
Be interested to see if others who made contact with Players are getting the Same vibe or getting the script vibes.
And I have yet to meet a winner who languishes on the pass. Winners take a Glance at the past learn, And then spend all the effort looking forward.
Sometime Poeple spend too long looking back it does not help.
