Discussion 2022 General AFL Discussion

[BucketsandBanger]

You are at least not a Sydney flog bandwagons like 90% of their supporters. Your club might be losers but you have integrity.

Yes I bask in the glow of my integrity watching another finals series and staring down another rebuild haha

 

[sauce_head]

* I’d love to get an armchair ride like Sydney. Draft concessions, COLA, umpire darlings you name it

Don’t forget players payments outside of the cap for AFL ambassador duties…

 

[sauce_head]

Will be a Sydney v Geelong GF, calling it now. Two best drilled sides in the comp. Love how the Swans go about it.

That or Geelong Collingwood.

Anybody know when prelim final fixtures are announced? Hoping to get to the SCG.

 

[gringo2011]

Everything from about 60m out from the dees goal is just exceptional.

Everything inside the arc is bang average

Pickett, Fritsch and Brown aren't ordinary. Just down on form. Fritsch did an ankle in the warm up and Petracca hurt himself when he hit Buddy early. Both probably played with injections and Brown is looking out of form. Jackson isn't backing up last year either. Tom McDonald was huge last year too.

 

[gringo2011]

impact is worth 10x more than statistics.

60% for an inside mid is actually high. That's why people whose Mitchell wouldn't help are tripping. Olly Wines had worse disposal efficiency than Dunstan in 2021, doubt anyone at Port would be keen to trade him. Good players win matches and set a tone for teammates.

 

[Yawkey way]

Pickett, Fritsch and Brown aren't ordinary. Just down on form. Fritsch did an ankle in the warm up and Petracca hurt himself when he hit Buddy early. Both probably played with injections and Brown is looking out of form. Jackson isn't backing up last year either. Tom McDonald was huge last year too.

I was pretty disappointed in max Gawn last night, his stats were pretty good but he wasn’t that dominant ruck from earlier in the season. In fact melbourne looked off the pace all night, Sydney chocked them and made them play their game. Sydney are excellent at changing up the angles and finding a teammate, working in a phone box stuff. Tremendous pressure during the first half, didn’t like the umpiring buddy runs at May bounces off adds a bit of Mayo and gets a free

 

[gringo2011]

Every year in the finals I feel that we are miles off it, but watching the game last night I feel that we aren't that far away. Need to improve but we're not light years away from that level.

I don't often agree with you but we should have played finals at a minimum. We aren't a rebuilding side. We are a solid list that is prone to a our depth getting tested but there wasn't any reason we should have missed and Dogs, Richmond, Lions etc made it. Geelong weren't even that far above us.

To me it's a super even year and Sydney who don't fit at the usual premiership list profile are a very very good chance. The danger is that there isn't heaps of organic growth left and if we persist with the same game plan the same result is likely next year but there are sides that are coming up and might jump over us.

The worst thing to do would be to top up again when the lemon has already been juiced. Noble hopefully does a pretty in-depth review. The thing that we can't afford is to keep going down the wrong road for another few years. There isn't a right or wrong direction and an element of gambling either way but you want to go in either direction with eyes open and a plan.

I'd roll again next year and if by the bye, we are looking shaky pull the pin on Ratts and find a new coach. If it doesn't pick up, start a refresh where drafting is the priority and the GOPs get traded or delisted.

 

[gringo2011]

I was pretty disappointed in max Gawn last night, his stats were pretty good but he wasn’t that dominant ruck from earlier in the season. In fact melbourne looked off the pace all night, Sydney chocked them and made them play their game. Sydney are excellent at changing up the angles and finding a teammate, working in a phone box stuff. Tremendous pressure during the first half, didn’t like the umpiring buddy runs at May bounces off adds a bit of Mayo and gets a free

Hickey is a wily operator, he does enough to make everything harder for the good rucks but gets them on the ground like an extra mid. He's like what we hope Marshall can get to with his ruck work. It doesn't have to be elite, just break even then hurt them with his around the ground and inside work.

 

[Yawkey way]

Hickey is a wily operator, he does enough to make everything harder for the good rucks but gets them on the ground like an extra mid. He's like what we hope Marshall can get to with his ruck work. It doesn't have to be elite, just break even then hurt them with his around the ground and inside work.

They had Gawn dropping back early and he looked lost, couldn’t seem to impact the contest at all.

 

[gringo2011]

Melbourne 0-5 so far this year against the teams that made the top 4.

They also played 11 games in the H&A season against teams who made the finals.

WB were the only other one in the finals to play double figures against other eventual finalists, with 10 games.

While 12 of our H&A games were against teams who made the finals! Including double-ups against 4 of the top 6 and two of the top 3.

So we presumably had the hardest draw in the comp for the 2nd year in a row! Staggering.

I tried to tell people Melbourne weren't that good when they hadn't lost a game early in the season. A lot of kids had massive seasons last year and haven' t been able to back up.

 

[Yawkey way]

I don't often agree with you but we should have played finals at a minimum. We aren't a rebuilding side. We are a solid list that is prone to a our depth getting tested but there wasn't any reason we should have missed and Dogs, Richmond, Lions etc made it. Geelong weren't even that far above us.

To me it's a super even year and Sydney who don't fit at the usual premiership list profile are a very very good chance. The danger is that there isn't heaps of organic growth left and if we persist with the same game plan the same result is likely next year but there are sides that are coming up and might jump over us.

The worst thing to do would be to top up again when the lemon has already been juiced. Noble hopefully does a pretty in-depth review. The thing that we can't afford is to keep going down the wrong road for another few years. There isn't a right or wrong direction and an element of gambling either way but you want to go in either direction with eyes open and a plan.

I'd roll again next year and if by the bye, we are looking shaky pull the pin on Ratts and find a new coach. If it doesn't pick up, start a refresh where drafting is the priority and the GOPs get traded or delisted.

I think we’re still a fair way off the pace when the pressure is on we just don’t have that ability to nail the important goals. Look at Thursday night and some of the pressure kicks, the same last night. We have Higgins and king who can kill momentum quicker than just about anything kicking points from easy set shots. I know Higgins works hard and I assume king does, sports psyc maybe?

Im not saying that adding players and Lenny having an impact can’t change that but this years team with the coaching group we have just doesn’t match up Imo.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Hickey is a wily operator, he does enough to make everything harder for the good rucks but gets them on the ground like an extra mid. He's like what we hope Marshall can get to with his ruck work. It doesn't have to be elite, just break even then hurt them with his around the ground and inside work.

The thing about Hickey that surprised me last night was his strength. I've always seen him as that mobile ruckman but his clearance work and ability to match Gawn at boundary throw ins was impressive.

The one that disappointed me was Jackson. Very young I know but I'm not convinced that he will be the next big thing.

Freo may regret the Grundy like offer down the track.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Kinda hard to believe that if the Pies win this arv they'll be in a home prelim.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It was grest seeing Trac and Paddy run around last night. I always feel happy for the players that escaped StKilda for success elsewhere.

 

[Fehring]

Pickett, Fritsch and Brown aren't ordinary. Just down on form. Fritsch did an ankle in the warm up and Petracca hurt himself when he hit Buddy early. Both probably played with injections and Brown is looking out of form. Jackson isn't backing up last year either. Tom McDonald was huge last year too.

Petracca could hardly move, even after he ran the initial limp out. If he doesn't come up, next week's team could feature one L. Dunstan.

 

[Yawkey way]

The thing about Hickey that surprised me last night was his strength. I've always seen him as that mobile ruckman but his clearance work and ability to match Gawn at boundary throw ins was impressive.

The one that disappointed me was Jackson. Very young I know but I'm not convinced that he will be the next big thing.

Freo may regret the Grundy like offer down the track.

Fremantle are kidding themselves and will regret paying the sort of money he’ll comand and the trade price.

 

[phantom13]

Every year in the finals I feel that we are miles off it, but watching the game last night I feel that we aren't that far away. Need to improve but we're not light years away from that level.

I’d have said that about Thursday, which was a great game but didn’t have that finals pressure.

Last night both sides looked a class above to me.

 

[phantom13]

Pickett, Fritsch and Brown aren't ordinary. Just down on form. Fritsch did an ankle in the warm up and Petracca hurt himself when he hit Buddy early. Both probably played with injections and Brown is looking out of form. Jackson isn't backing up last year either. Tom McDonald was huge last year too.

Fritsch is a player who gets the most out of himself in that system but swap him with say Alex Sexton or Membs I’d argue that forward line is better.

Brown is fine but probably not in the best 10 genuine ffwds (I’d sell my soul forever max to have his work rate)

Kozi is genuinely good and only getting better.

Their forward line is comfortably their worst line well masked by a good system, work rate and midfield.

 

[Plugger35]

Fremantle are kidding themselves and will regret paying the sort of money he’ll comand and the trade price.

Fremantle would be worse off with Jackson replacing Lobb.

Jackson might be better in the ruck but he is worse than Lobb as a key forward and that's what Freo need, they already have a good ruckman in Darcy.

 

[George]

Every year in the finals I feel that we are miles off it, but watching the game last night I feel that we aren't that far away. Need to improve but we're not light years away from that level.

It's the inconsistency that shits me and probably others. When we play at our best we can match it with the best sides but we are an average side because we don't do it often enough. We really need to build some resilience or something over summer because we are a bit of a ****-tease at the moment.

 

[George]

That or Geelong Collingwood.

Anybody know when prelim final fixtures are announced? Hoping to get to the SCG.

Usually within 15 minutes of the games finishing today

 

[gringo2011]

Fremantle are kidding themselves and will regret paying the sort of money he’ll comand and the trade price.

He's shown enough to get very excited about but there is no guarantee. I can see why they'd want him but the cost will hurt.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Hairline fracture in the fibula for Trac

 

[gringo2011]

It's the inconsistency that shits me and probably others. When we play at our best we can match it with the best sides but we are an average side because we don't do it often enough. We really need to build some resilience or something over summer because we are a bit of a ****-tease at the moment.

I think motivation and engagement is what the best modern coaches excel in. Practicing the same repetitive thing with the same explanation and not getting motivation from results is going to make it hard. Fast free flowing footy is when we look at our best and we fall apart when we slow to a trickle. For whatever reason Ratts prefers the slow stuff that doesn't seem to work.

Sydney have lulls in intensity but they don't seem to have the same on or /off switch that we have. Their coasting is closer to our top speed than our bottom speed. Geelong can switch tempo on sides and hold the ball because they are so well drilled and experienced together.

We seem to be modelling off the WCE side that won in 2018. A sort of chip mark side with one main avenue to goal and a chop off backline and a side that was pretty bare bones. It looks like the only thing similar to us is the lack of superstar talent.

 

[gringo2011]

Hairline fracture in the fibula for Trac

Melbourne are screwed now.