List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[Taylor]

No I'm not. I've stated that I'm looking at what he's done over a number of years.

Current form also holds weight. Saying well he used to be average but he's been good of late doesn't mean he will be average or below average in the future.

Longmuir obviously disagrees with you otherwise he wouldn't have picked Acres all season. He's currently best 22 in a side who could have been top 4 this season.

That would be why JL kicked up a fuss and made sure Freo paid him enough to stay...

He is part of the reason we have problems moving the ball from defense to attack.

 

[wakojako]

That would be why JL kicked up a fuss and made sure Freo paid him enough to stay...

He is part of the reason we have problems moving the ball from defense to attack.

Yes but we shouldn't get rid of him unless we have a replacement in mind. I'll tell you now Chapman won't be moving to the wing next season. I like Worner but he is slow and Sharp is unproven.

 

[Freomaniac]

You sound fairly upset to me.

Me personally.... I sort of am a bit upset.

The fact that Freo used pick 8 on him in that 2016 draft. Could of used it on other WA talents like Sam Powell pepper or Brandon Starcevich.

From 2017-2020 he had 4 injury prone seasons. Even if he played it was rotating depth on the back line or playing in the WAFL.

2021 he had a run of games.

2022 he had plenty of games. Spent the 1st half in the back line. Once the back 6 was settled, he goes up forward for mixed results.

He even played in that Elim finals win vs the dogs. That's our 1st finals win since 2015.

He didn't play one dockers game in 2018 but played a couple of WAFL games late in the season coming back from injury.

It will suck that he is leaving. Because he stuck loyal in that 6 year rebuild.

Now he is joining North of all teams. No disrespect to North, they will spend bottom 6 for at least 2 or 3 more years before contending.

Money does play a small part. It sucked losing the talented Victorian players. Fair enough. But losing our local WA talent? Yeah that's worse

 

[malpaso]

Me personally.... I sort of am a bit upset.

The fact that Freo used pick 8 on him in that 2016 draft. Could of used it on other WA talents like Sam Powell pepper or Brandon Starcevich.

From 2017-2020 he had 4 injury prone seasons. Even if he played it was rotating depth on the back line or playing in the WAFL.

2021 he had a run of games.

2022 he had plenty of games. Spent the 1st half in the back line. Once the back 6 was settled, he goes up forward for mixed results.

He even played in that Elim finals win vs the dogs. That's our 1st finals win since 2015.

He didn't play one dockers game in 2018 but played a couple of WAFL games late in the season coming back from injury.

It will suck that he is leaving. Because he stuck loyal in that 6 year rebuild.

Now he is joining North of all teams. No disrespect to North, they will spend bottom 6 for at least 2 or 3 more years before contending.

Money does play a small part. It sucked losing the talented Victorian players. Fair enough. But losing our local WA talent? Yeah that's worse

I'd say money is playing a big part in Logue's case and good for him. We lose a depth player for next year.

 

[Freomaniac]

I wouldn’t care if Logue sat in the 2s next year as backup key defender. That would be good for freo. I think he would inevitably get into the 22 anyway somewhere just like he did all this season.
Some of you seem to think you can only have 23 afl level mature players on the list and the 24th player onwards should be a developing kid.
Thats fine at the likes of north or hawthorn or Adelaide but That’s not how it works at the top sides. Do we want to be a top aide at any point?
Geelong had at the weekend:
Sam menegola
Brandon Parfitt
Jon Ceglar
Luke Dalhaus
Shaun Higgins
Ratugolea

All sitting in the stands at the opening bounce. They would all get a game at several other clubs every week. Some of those guys have played 200 afl games!

When the emergency was needed, they were able to bring in Mark O connor who’s played nearly 100 games and slotted in seamlessly. Not to mention players like Shannon Neale, Cooper Stephens, and some of those second round picks they took last year.
They weren’t relying on a child to play in a GF with 8 games to his name because all their mature players went to bottom 6 clubs.

Geelong won the flag with the oldest list of all Time. Average age of 28 years. Swans sides average age in that grand final was like 25 years old.

The dockers side that won that Elim final had 7 players aged 21 or under. A couple of 19 year Olds, a couple of 20 year Olds and three 21 year olds

 

[King Huskii]

That would be why JL kicked up a fuss and made sure Freo paid him enough to stay...

He is part of the reason we have problems moving the ball from defense to attack.

And JLO keeped picking him each week because he was linking up. He wasn't just outside getting the easy ball and he had big metres gained. Some of his games against Geelong plus others were really good. He was terrific early against Collingwood on the big stage G when others were ordinary and unfortunately injured himself in a knock with Brayshaw.

He was easily best 22. Not 20 to 30 as you mentioned. If he was then he wouldn't have been selected by JLO. Like I said I'd back JLO and the match committee over someone posting that he's no good on here.

 

[Alfonz]

Yes but we shouldn't get rid of him unless we have a replacement in mind. I'll tell you now Chapman won't be moving to the wing next season. I like Worner but he is slow and Sharp is unproven.

Why can't Chapman move to a wing next year? And who knows what Sharp can do. Hughes is a wildcard. I know he is a whipping boy, but Hughes is a physical specimen who could replicate the best features of Acres (defensive running). It seemed during the end of the WAFL season they were putting Hughes on the wing. Hughes is not great with ball in hand, but neither is Acres. There are other running defenders like Clark, Walker, Young. Maybe we try moving one. Aish is versatile. Henry is a bit small, but has played there. Maybe we even look at Freddy if his tank improves. There are lots of options to pair with Noddy (who should get better).

 

[mightymouse75]

It's not good to come so far this year and then disrupt the cohesion by losing a handful of players..
Bell has credits in the bank so I will cross my fingers

 

[malpaso]

Yes but we shouldn't get rid of him unless we have a replacement in mind. I'll tell you now Chapman won't be moving to the wing next season. I like Worner but he is slow and Sharp is unproven.

We aren't getting rid of him, he has chosen to get a better deal elsewhere.

 

[rgauci]

Why can't Chapman move to a wing next year? And who knows what Sharp can do. Hughes is a wildcard. I know he is a whipping boy, but Hughes is a physical specimen who could replicate the best features of Acres (defensive running). It seemed during the end of the WAFL season they were putting Hughes on the wing. Hughes is not great with ball in hand, but neither is Acres. There are other running defenders like Clark, Walker, Young. Maybe we try moving one. Aish is versatile. Henry is a bit small, but has played there. Maybe we even look at Freddy if his tank improves. There are lots of options to pair with Noddy (who should get better).

Hughes had an amazing 8 possessions off a wing in a WAFL final. He looked lost.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Fox Footy’s early AA Team:

“Wing — Blake Acres (Fremantle)

Sticking with the theme of picking the best players in each position, it’s hard to look past Acres on the other wing. The ex-Saint’s move to Fremantle has proven fruitful for both the club and player in a brilliant mid-career resurgence. It came after Acres was reluctantly put in the 2019 trade between St Kilda and Fremantle for Brad Hill as the steak knives along with several other picks dealt to the Dockers. Now in his third year at Freo, Acres has proven to be an absolute steal after making the wing spot his — ironically where Hill played the best football of his career. Acres has averaged a career-best 22 disposals, six marks and 5.1 inside 50s per game to have tremendous impact for the third-placed club. The 26-year old has always had the talent, but now it’s all coming together for him.”

He was very good against Geelong, handy in our wins against Carlton with a goal and 21d, again against Hawthorn with a goal and 24d before going down with his injury.

My point is even if Acres played out of his skin just because he was out of contract - he did exactly that and should be rewarded for his form with a better deal from Freo. We have a very young midfield and it’s getting even younger with Mundy retiring. We finally find a decent winger to replace Hill / Langdon and if we’re shipping him away for peanuts I’ll be very disappointed with our club.

So if the club should "reward" his 3rd year form, when is he going to "reward" the club for his terrible form in the first two years. I would have more sympathy for the argument we should offer him a bigger contract if he refunded a big part of his salary for years 1 and 2 on the grounds of non-performance.

 

[Square Peg]

Hughes had an amazing 8 possessions off a wing in a WAFL final. He looked lost.

Hughes is going to be earning his contract renewal next year. Already he's covering the loss of Logue and Acres. It can't be long before someone suggests him as our ruck-forward backup.

 

[Dockeroo]

People on here quick to forget that Acres was in AA form before injuring him hammy, then a few weeks after returning was one of our more dominant players in the finals. If we’re getting anything less than a second rounder for him than I think we should be offering him a much better deal, really sad to see.

You are living in fantasy land if you think that Blake acres was in contention for the All Australian team at any point. Seriously like? Who’s spot was he going to get before his injury? You are telling me the AA selectors were going to leave out Touk Miller or Callum Mills for freos own Blake?!?!

 

[CapitalA]

I find the rumour very very hard to believe.

From Duffields mouth.

 

[s_wd6]

You are living in fantasy land if you think that Blake acres was in contention for the All Australian team at any point. Seriously like? Who’s spot was he going to get before his injury? You are telling me the AA selectors were going to leave out Touk Miller or Callum Mills for freos own Blake?!?!

It was earlier in the season where everyone was obsessed with picking actual wingers. And he was in the team bc he was just about the best winger in the league at that point

 

[Paracleet]

Fox Footy’s early AA Team:

“Wing — Blake Acres (Fremantle)

Sticking with the theme of picking the best players in each position, it’s hard to look past Acres on the other wing. The ex-Saint’s move to Fremantle has proven fruitful for both the club and player in a brilliant mid-career resurgence. It came after Acres was reluctantly put in the 2019 trade between St Kilda and Fremantle for Brad Hill as the steak knives along with several other picks dealt to the Dockers. Now in his third year at Freo, Acres has proven to be an absolute steal after making the wing spot his — ironically where Hill played the best football of his career. Acres has averaged a career-best 22 disposals, six marks and 5.1 inside 50s per game to have tremendous impact for the third-placed club. The 26-year old has always had the talent, but now it’s all coming together for him.”

He was very good against Geelong, handy in our wins against Carlton with a goal and 21d, again against Hawthorn with a goal and 24d before going down with his injury.

My point is even if Acres played out of his skin just because he was out of contract - he did exactly that and should be rewarded for his form with a better deal from Freo. We have a very young midfield and it’s getting even younger with Mundy retiring. We finally find a decent winger to replace Hill / Langdon and if we’re shipping him away for peanuts I’ll be very disappointed with our club.

He had had over 22 disposals 3 times in the first 12 games including the one he tore his hammy in. He was playing solid AFL quality footy. He was miles off the AA. Just because a hack who can barely fog up a mirror put it in print doesn't make it an even remotely valid opinion.

 

[Wizard]

I am quite surprised we haven't been linked to more "potential ins".

We are absolutely losing Griff, Tucker, Acres at this stage with a strong likelihood Lobb and Meek will also be on the way out.

To this point the only real strong connected rumors coming the other way as far as i am aware are Jackson and Sharp. Surely there is one or two more.....

 

[Paracleet]

I am quite surprised we haven't been linked to more "potential ins".

We are absolutely losing Griff, Tucker, Acres at this stage with a strong likelihood Lobb and Meek will also be on the way out.

To this point the only real strong connected rumors coming the other way as far as i am aware are Jackson and Sharp. Surely there is one or two more.....

List wise we're in a position where the pool of available players for trade doesn't actually contain that many that are clearly better options than what we have. Stacked across the back and midfield. Sure we could use an genuinely elite winger, A quality key forward and or ball playing (rather than pressure) medium or small forward? Not sure the list of those sort of players that are gettable is very long.

 

[Nodgey]

He had had over 22 disposals 3 times in the first 12 games including the one he tore his hammy in. He was playing solid AFL quality footy. He was miles off the AA. Just because a hack who can barely fog up a mirror put it in print doesn't make an even remotely valid opinion.

I think both are true, to be fair. Acres was playing well, and was being talked (albeit loosely) as potential AA material. Especially considering these days they announce a squad of 40. Stats were being thrown around that Acres was bettering Langdon in most facets.

But we all know Freo players never actually make AA unless they have god-like performances for a minimum of 2 seasons, so Acres was always precisely 0% chance of actually making AA.

 

[Cobbler]

I am quite surprised we haven't been linked to more "potential ins".

We are absolutely losing Griff, Tucker, Acres at this stage with a strong likelihood Lobb and Meek will also be on the way out.

To this point the only real strong connected rumors coming the other way as far as i am aware are Jackson and Sharp. Surely there is one or two more.....

We may go for some DFA players as a free swing low $ type play.

Guys like Narkle, Corbett, Tom Phillips, Zach Sproule. There would be many others.

I’m not saying any of those guys are any good, but I think Jackson and Sharp are our 2 targets with hope of best 22.

We don’t have to fill the squad with best 22 players through trade.

You lose: Mundy, Logue, Acres, Tucker maybe Lobb and Meek.

You gain: Jackson, Sharp.

You get more games into Erasmus, Johnson, Henry, Treacy, Sturt.

You have role player depth in Wilson, Hughes, Colyer, Hamling, Crowden.

The dream is someone like Sharp or a hypothetical Corbett, Narkle, Sproule type come in and shine like Brodie…. but the reality is that’s rare.

 

[PowerToThePurpl]

He had had over 22 disposals 3 times in the first 12 games including the one he tore his hammy in. He was playing solid AFL quality footy. He was miles off the AA. Just because a hack who can barely fog up a mirror put it in print doesn't make an even remotely valid opinion.

Then what makes any opinion on BigFooty valid? Agree to disagree, not like there’s a universe where the AA selectors will actually pick wingers for the wing positions anyway….

 

[Dockeroo]

It was earlier in the season where everyone was obsessed with picking actual wingers. And he was in the team bc he was just about the best winger in the league at that point

This debate happens every year. Jesus was a boy the last time a “genuine winger” was picked in an AA side. Langdon was well ahead of acres the first half of the season yet when it came to the crunch he didn’t even make the squad.
Nobody is leaving out a genuine gun like Petracca or Oliver or Andy Brayshaw for some role player like Blake acres or Karl Amon or Langdon when it comes to an AA selection.
And rightly so.

 

[wakojako]

Why can't Chapman move to a wing next year? And who knows what Sharp can do. Hughes is a wildcard. I know he is a whipping boy, but Hughes is a physical specimen who could replicate the best features of Acres (defensive running). It seemed during the end of the WAFL season they were putting Hughes on the wing. Hughes is not great with ball in hand, but neither is Acres. There are other running defenders like Clark, Walker, Young. Maybe we try moving one. Aish is versatile. Henry is a bit small, but has played there. Maybe we even look at Freddy if his tank improves. There are lots of options to pair with Noddy (who should get better).

What I'm trying to say is that JLO won't move him to the wing next season IMO. Beyond 2023 who knows but I don't see it happening.

 

[Paracleet]

This debate happens every year. Jesus was a boy the last time a “genuine winger” was picked in an AA side. Langdon was well ahead of acres the first half of the season yet when it came to the crunch he didn’t even make the squad.
Nobody is leaving out a genuine gun like Petracca or Oliver or Andy Brayshaw for some role player like Blake acres or Karl Amon or Langdon when it comes to an AA selection.
And rightly so.

2018 was the last time.

 

[tonygeeks]

Counterpoint: I heard some random journo on trade radio say that everyone is leaving to fit Jackson in. Get better sources CTD...

Meh. I want to be bullish (he was good at the u18 champs as an underager) but the lack of contested game puts him in the likely to fail category to me.

Haven’t seen much of him but if he’s no harder at it than Henry then what’s the point