List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[wakojako]

* you lot are impatient. When brayshaw was at the same point in his career his extension was announced mid December. At least wait until the end of the year before stressing. Still have a whole trade period to get through.

They are probably waiting for Jackson and other movements before signing the big dosh.

 

[wakojako]

I disagree. I think a club could offer Caleb Serong far more than Fremantle could. There are clubs finding almost a million dollars a season now for players, if one of the clubs losing a couple of those players in a season turns it's sights on Serong he could have $1.8m dollars in a year offered to him up front.

If he is getting 700k a season, can we pay some of that to interest another club

 

[Freoforever86]

Logue is the sharpest tool in the shed. They could pull wool over his eyes like they did with GC with greenwood.

Completely diff. GC delisted Greenwood to pick him up and north grabbed him

 

[Silencer83]

Angus, Andrew and Andreas....?

Well in age order it is William, Angus, Hamish, Andrew so they ruined the alliteration from the start

 

[freo1997]

Completely diff. GC delisted Greenwood to pick him up and north grabbed him

You do know if the trade doesn’t happen he can just walk in. Griff ain’t the smartest bloke around. They will say sweet nothings in his ear.

 

[Taylor]

The Greenwood situation would be like Freo delisting Tucker to put him on the rookie list and another club decided to offer him a longer term deal and sign him as a delisted free agent.

Logue won't be delisted by Fremantle after after the delisted free agency period, prior to the draft. But he can go for nothing to them in the PSD.

He would need to publicly state that the PSD will never be an option and their offer to him is substantial, meaning the trade should be too.

But his manager won't allow that to happen.

 

[Freoforever86]

You do know if the trade doesn’t happen he can just walk in. Griff ain’t the smartest bloke around. They will say sweet nothings in his ear.

Yeah he could. But he’s said he won’t.
That could change, but would be burning a lot of bridges with mates. Hard to see happening

 

[King Tenz]

There's talk NM will use that F2 on Hunter Clark.

So if that's right, not sure where that leaves their interest and expectancy with Griffin Logue (??). Shaping up to cause some serious dis-contempt this trade period, think there could be some VERY angry Freo fans during it.

P.S. not trying to stoke some already volatile fires, just looks increasingly likely we'll get shafted again

We'll probably end with their other future 2nd. But yeah reckon we could easily get f*cked here.

 

[Belnakor]

Yeah he could. But he’s said he won’t.
That could change, but would be burning a lot of bridges with mates. Hard to see happening

he wouldn't be able to show his face in fremantle thats for sure.

he was on the radio this morning it is clear he is great mates with alot of the playing list who kind of understand he has been offered huge money and he would be a fool not to take it.

To that end, walking through the PSD i can't see happening. I think Griff would even be entertaining coming back to perth after his North contract based on the way he is acting. That wouldn't happen if he went to the PSD.

 

[Redgum]

Freo give Meek, F4

We get Serong, F3

Just because someone is somebody's brother doesn't equate to that brother being any good?
The % of all brothers becoming successful is not that high.

 

[DragoDelph]

Damn shame we can't do the reverse Croad to Norf here...

 

[Belnakor]

There's talk NM will use that F2 on Hunter Clark.

So if that's right, not sure where that leaves their interest and expectancy with Griffin Logue (??). Shaping up to cause some serious dis-contempt this trade period, think there could be some VERY angry Freo fans during it.

P.S. not trying to stoke some already volatile fires, just looks increasingly likely we'll get shafted again

the only time we have been shafted in trades is when we did it to ourselves (ie: over paying for Hogan). all our other trades have been done well with us basically paying what the player was worth, or selling them for what they are worth (Weller is the only one we got overs but GC have picks to burn and are happy with the outcome - GC fell off a cliff once weller went down).

We'll get fair value, and for mine i think there is a very high probability that north split their pick no.1. The best player in the draft is a father/son to brisbane, the rest are meh, they need to rebuild their list, splitting no.1 into two picks in the top 15 would make alot of sense.

 

[silverscope]

Logue for Zurhaar?

I know he signed on for 2 years but wouldn't hurt to ask

 

[se17enteen]

No wonder Ross Lyon never rated Logue, he’s a little bitch. A grown man allowing Colin Young to use him as leverage for the Lobb. Weak.

JLo you NEED to leave Colin Young. He is not helping you win premierships. Show some leadership.

Remember when Buddy Franklin left Hawthorn for Sydney and Clarkson was pissed. Liam Pickering managed Clarkson, Franklin and John Longmire. Pickering had a conflict of interest. Clarkson left Pickering as a result.


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[Big Animal]

I'll be happy with Lobb, Logue, Acres, and Tucker leaving, with Jackson, Naughton, and Sharp coming in, leaving space for Erasmus and Johnson to come in to the b22 with Mundy and Tucker out. 2023 looking bright.

 

[Docker82]

Hawthorn should trade their 24 and 49 with GC for their 31 and 43 and then give us the 31. That’s about right for Meek imo.

GC will then have 24 and 25 and can deal with/trade some of their other second rounders if they need to offload some.

Hawthorn get Meek and move several spots up in the 3rd round.

We get a mid second.

Win-win-win.

There's nothing in that for Gold Coast.

They'll be approaching Brisbane early in the trade period I reckon and trading most of their seconds and thirds for Brisbane's future 1st. It'd leave pick 15 and potentially a 2nd for the Dunkley trade.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Damn shame we can't do the reverse Croad to Norf here...

Ahh, the old reverse kanga, good thinking.

 

[Purple Suit]

The Greenwood situation would be like Freo delisting Tucker to put him on the rookie list and another club decided to offer him a longer term deal and sign him as a delisted free agent.

Logue won't be delisted by Fremantle after after the delisted free agency period, prior to the draft. But he can go for nothing to them in the PSD.

He would need to publicly state that the PSD will never be an option and their offer to him is substantial, meaning the trade should be too.

But his manager won't allow that to happen.

Maybe it becomes a reverse Greenwood. North & Colon think he’s walking through to the PSD and he changes his mind & agent when Brayshaw, Serong & Mundy have a word.

What’s a couple of hundred k a year after tax when you’re on heaps anyway.

 

[theGav56]

He wasn't contracted earlier in the year because he had just been dropped and the club didn't know if it was worth keeping him or trading him. They couldn't predict that he would find firm so quickly after.

He wasn't played in his preferred position because there's no space for him there. There's 7 other guys that do the job better than him.

If he never got dropped earlier in the year he would've been signed on a lot sooner. But those few weeks of absolute s**t football from him managed to secure him a 700k 5 year deal somehow.

Those are poor justifications around list management issues.

Yes, if you continually draft half back flankers andd defenders with high draft capital you can't fit them all in. Simple mathematics.

 

[s_wd6]

Those are poor justifications around list management issues.

Yes, if you continually draft half back flankers andd defenders with high draft capital you can't fit them all in. Simple mathematics.

What's your point? We have the best defence in the league. Logue wasn't part of it. You saying it was a mistake to draft chapman and young so high because we had logue who hadn't shown anything until this year?

 

[theGav56]

All this talk about Caleb being in the last year of his contract next year and could be trade baot is making me nervous. Surely with all the cap space we now have the club will try to lock him away in the off season?

There's a difference between trade bait and trade target.

If the remains uncontracted into next season it will be interesting. Even now I expect there would have been enquiries about his commitment. Bit trades take planning.

 

[theGav56]

What's your point? We have the best defence in the league. Logue wasn't part of it. You saying it was a mistake to draft chapman and young so high because we had logue who hadn't shown anything until this year?

My point is that posters on here pointing at Logue as some kind of money grabbing opportunist are being myopic.

And I also think it is ironic that list management isn't being scrutinised when we find ourselves with a surfeit of defenders and trying to rapidly convert one into a forward without any training or opportunity to learn the position.

Simultaneously, we draft a skinny KPF and give him a run, and like magic, he kicks goals!

Logue is not the issue. He is the symptom.

 

[s_wd6]

My point is that posters on here pointing at Logue as some kind of money grabbing opportunist are being myopic.

And I also think it is ironic that list management isn't being scrutinised when we find ourselves with a surfeit of defenders and trying to rapidly convert one into a forward without any training or opportunity to learn the position.

Simultaneously, we draft a skinny KPF and give him a run, and like magic, he kicks goals!

Logue is not the issue. He is the symptom.

Yeah but that's the effect of a problem from several years ago, before JL era. We've complained about that enough it's no use bringing it back up now.

Logue left because of money. I can guarantee you he's not moving to Vic for the same amount of money just bc he'll have the opportunity to play back. And Chapman playing back is a short term thing and always has been. Logue would've had the opportunity to play back here too. He left because of money it's as simple as that.

 

[Big Animal]

My point is that posters on here pointing at Logue as some kind of money grabbing opportunist are being myopic.

And I also think it is ironic that list management isn't being scrutinised when we find ourselves with a surfeit of defenders and trying to rapidly convert one into a forward without any training or opportunity to learn the position.

Simultaneously, we draft a skinny KPF and give him a run, and like magic, he kicks goals!

Logue is not the issue. He is the symptom.

our two most recent coaches are obsessed with defense. It gets you so far, but it's no surprise the last 4 teams remaining all had very dangerous and highly rated forward lines. Maybe now our midfield (bar a winger) and back 7 are basically set, we will try and focus a bit more on blokes who are very good at kicking goals every week.

 

[Square Peg]

As an aside, why do St Kilda want to trade a contracted Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

? Was a bloody good player every time I've seen him.
Is it because injuries have buggered him or something else?