List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[freo1]

Some serious overrating of Blake Acres going on here. I’d like us to get more than an F3 but really the guy is worthy about pick 38 or 40 at best.
Most laughable is the people saying he was an AA wingman before his injury. Pull the other one - even Andy Brayshaw only made the bloody interchange bench!
He’s not much different to Jack Newnes to be honest and will play a similar role for Carlton next year.
We’ll be fine, I don’t know much about sharp but if he be trained can run both ways he will replace acres easily enough. Sharp has a booming kick - well over 50m too which is a welcome additional trait.

I like what Acres brings due to his height. He took some strong, important marks for us in contested situations. I did however find him quite soft in the contest quite often so i'm a bit 50/50 on losing him. If no one steps into the wing spot strongly then it'll seem quite a big loss, but if we have a player who can step up, then it probably wont seem that bad. I'm crossing everything that Liam Henry can step up but i dont have much confidence in the kid at all.

 

[Dockeroo]

If Geelong cats, the reigning premiers, are able to buy pick 7 off Gold Coast for $850k of salary cap space and also take Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

18.0

4star

K

11.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

318.1

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

, this game is really ****ed up.
Equalisation my ass

 

[Quazar]

Some serious overrating of Blake Acres going on here. I’d like us to get more than an F3 but really the guy is worthy about pick 38 or 40 at best.
Most laughable is the people saying he was an AA wingman before his injury. Pull the other one - even Andy Brayshaw only made the bloody interchange bench!
He’s not much different to Jack Newnes to be honest and will play a similar role for Carlton next year.
We’ll be fine, I don’t know much about sharp but if he be trained can run both ways he will replace acres easily enough. Sharp has a booming kick - well over 50m too which is a welcome additional trait.

Acres great party trick is the massive boom-kicks into the mesosphere at random, barely did he ever pin-point a kick to a person inside 50 (or not to my recollection). Maybe here & there, but certainly was't a regular feature of his. That being said his overall working of the wing, including defensive efforts was pretty top notch. His game against Geelong went a long way in helping us get over the line. If Sharp can avoid those boom-kicks, he will be a better upgrade (assuming he comes). But if the knock is he's not physical enough, doing good grunt work etc it might be he's a lesser player and not really an upgrade. Essentially we probably need someone of Acres physical calibre + better skills. Which is asking a lot and it's why I'm not fussed on getting Sharp if we can find someone internally to do the job, like Noddy on t'other side....

 

[freo1997]

If Geelong cats, the reigning premiers, are able to buy pick 7 off Gold Coast for $850k of salary cap space and also take Jack Bowes, this game is really *ed up.
Equalisation my ass

They are getting a few off their books.

 

[Joose]

If the AFL wants to bring Geelong down a peg or two maybe a long hard look at their salary cap would do the job.

I am very skeptical that all their stars have altruistically taken as big a financial hit as is believed.

 

[Redgum]

Acres isn't an A grade wingman. That's wearing purple glasses.

And the rumour on here is that we actually offered Acres the chance to earn more. Its just that our contract was performance based but Carlton's money was guaranteed.

Tells you all you need to know about where he is at: he chose less money but guaranteed over the chance to earn more but having to depend on his own performance.

According to Young he was only offered a 1 year contract.

 

[Alfonz]

If the AFL wants to bring Geelong down a peg or two maybe a long hard look at their salary cap would do the job.

I am very skeptical that all their stars have altruistically taken as big a financial hit as is believed.

Geelong's salary cap would technically be fine. All their big stars will have official salaries that are unders, allowing them to keep the likes of Guthrie, Tuohy, etc. And then the big stars more than make it up with stuff off the field which can't really be questioned.

If Hawkins buys a property for 2 million that could have been sold for 2.5 million (obviously just making those numbers up), there's nothing much the AFL can do as it is in the realms of fair value. And then when Hawkins gets paid 5 or 6 figures for every speech he makes at a function after he is retired, again there is nothing the AFL can do. They used to even allow this when Judd moved to Carlton, before clamping down on it. But after retirement, it is open season.

 

[Freomaniac]

Merriman has been a massive upgrade on Webber.

Well that's a statement in itself.

I would argue it's probably better than appointing a solid coach

 

[PowerToThePurpl]

People on here quick to forget that Acres was in AA form before injuring him hammy, then a few weeks after returning was one of our more dominant players in the finals. If we’re getting anything less than a second rounder for him than I think we should be offering him a much better deal, really sad to see.

 

[ozzie69]

Geelong's salary cap would technically be fine. All their big stars will have official salaries that are unders, allowing them to keep the likes of Guthrie, Tuohy, etc. And then the big stars more than make it up with stuff off the field which can't really be questioned.

If Hawkins buys a property for 2 million that could have been sold for 2.5 million (obviously just making those numbers up), there's nothing much the AFL can do as it is in the realms of fair value. And then when Hawkins gets paid 5 or 6 figures for every speech he makes at a function after he is retired, again there is nothing the AFL can do. They used to even allow this when Judd moved to Carlton, before clamping down on it. But after retirement, it is open season.

Geelong have a lot of veterans for whom only 50% of their salary only counts towards the salary cap - so the secret is the older players.

 

[Paracleet]

People on here quick to forget that Acres was in AA form before injuring him hammy, then a few weeks after returning was one of our more dominant players in the finals. If we’re getting anything less than a second rounder for him than I think we should be offering him a much better deal, really sad to see.

No he wasn't

 

[King Huskii]

Acres has a history of playing goofs on team mates, which is fine, but if you're hoping he would put more in on the field it's the exact sort of thing that would frustrate you.

How do you know that? He's run hus guts out this season and worked his backside off to come back and hit form at the end of the season.

You keep bagging him out over a number of threads on here and tue main board but you aren't part of Freo. He may have up and down form and only have one good season which just happens to be his latest but he's always busted his gut prior to and during the pre-season as he's come back in great condition. I've watched him every year train at Freo.

Your making things up based on feelings not facts.

 

[Taylor]

How do you know that? He's run hus guts out this season and worked his backside off to come back and hit form at the end of the season.

You keep bagging him out over a number of threads on here and tue main board but you aren't part of Freo. He may have up and down form and only have one good season which just happens to be his latest but he's always busted his gut prior to and during the pre-season as he's come back in great condition. I've watched him every year train at Freo.

Your making things up based on feelings not facts.

He himself admitted that he needed to put in the extras during the off season, from his own mouth because he wasn't getting it done.

From his own lips. So kindly find a place for your negativity that is fitting.

 

[King Huskii]

I agree. I also understand if you're putting in extra time at the club to get your body a little bit more right for the weekend and the guy currently in the 20th to 30th player on the list instead spends the time dumping rubbish on your car or hiding your shoes if you're a bit frustrated by that.

20th to 30th is very broad. Freo have been almost at full strength all year. He was in the best 22 all season. So therefore 30th is extreamly inaccurate.

Maybe top 15 to 22 is more accurate.

And that's probably why uncontracted Carlton can offer a 3rd round pick for him.

 

[King Huskii]

He himself admitted that he needed to put in the extras during the off season, from his own mouth because he wasn't getting it done.

From his own lips. So kindly find a place for your negativity that is fitting.

Yes and he clearly addressed these this season. Hence why he wasn't playing seconds like when he first arrived at the club.

The poster who has been constantly posting negatively is yourself. I'm sure you can find another place to fit it.

 

[Taylor]

20th to 30th is very broad. Freo have been almost at full strength all year. He was in the best 22 all season. So therefore 30th is extreamly inaccurate.

Maybe top 15 to 22 is more accurate.

And that's probably why uncontracted Carlton can offer a 3rd round pick for him.

You're looking at the last year in isolation. I'm talking about the three years he spent at Fremantle.

 

[Square Peg]

Geelong have a lot of veterans for whom only 50% of their salary only counts towards the salary cap - so the secret is the older players.

The AFL got rid of that 50% discount thing at least five years ago didn't they?

 

[Taylor]

Yes and he clearly addressed these this season. Hence why he wasn't playing seconds like when he first arrived at the club.

The poster who has been constantly posting negatively is yourself. I'm sure you can find another place to fit it.

I can. Right into the appropriate context when discussing an athlete who clicked into professional mode when his contract was about to run out and who then turned down the offer that would reward that professional mode should he stick around to take guaranteed money elsewhere.

 

[Taylor]

The AFL got rid of that 50% discount thing at least five years ago didn't they?

It was a long time ago. It's now a percentage of the cap, something like $125,000 per player can be outside the salary cap.

 

[Ge3ks]

I don’t know much about sharp but if he be trained can run both ways he will replace acres easily enough. Sharp has a booming kick - well over 50m too which is a welcome additional trait.

So does Acres...

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Well that's a statement in itself.

I would argue it's probably better than appointing a solid coach

Off-field hierarchy of importance:

1. List Manager to pick and keep the right players without hamstringing the club's future options
2. Fitness Coordinator who gets the squad in the top 1/3 of clubs fitness-wise without destroying availability through over-training
3. Development coaches to bring on young talent
4. Senior game day coach

By the time you get to the weekend, all the hard work has been done

 

[King Huskii]

You're looking at the last year in isolation. I'm talking about the three years he spent at Fremantle.

No I'm not. I've stated that I'm looking at what he's done over a number of years.

Current form also holds weight. Saying well he used to be average but he's been good of late doesn't mean he will be average or below average in the future.

Longmuir obviously disagrees with you otherwise he wouldn't have picked Acres all season. He's currently best 22 in a side who could have been top 4 this season.

 

[PowerToThePurpl]

No he wasn't

Fox Footy’s early AA Team:

“Wing — Blake Acres (Fremantle)

Sticking with the theme of picking the best players in each position, it’s hard to look past Acres on the other wing. The ex-Saint’s move to Fremantle has proven fruitful for both the club and player in a brilliant mid-career resurgence. It came after Acres was reluctantly put in the 2019 trade between St Kilda and Fremantle for Brad Hill as the steak knives along with several other picks dealt to the Dockers. Now in his third year at Freo, Acres has proven to be an absolute steal after making the wing spot his — ironically where Hill played the best football of his career. Acres has averaged a career-best 22 disposals, six marks and 5.1 inside 50s per game to have tremendous impact for the third-placed club. The 26-year old has always had the talent, but now it’s all coming together for him.”

He was very good against Geelong, handy in our wins against Carlton with a goal and 21d, again against Hawthorn with a goal and 24d before going down with his injury.

My point is even if Acres played out of his skin just because he was out of contract - he did exactly that and should be rewarded for his form with a better deal from Freo. We have a very young midfield and it’s getting even younger with Mundy retiring. We finally find a decent winger to replace Hill / Langdon and if we’re shipping him away for peanuts I’ll be very disappointed with our club.

 

[s_wd6]

I can understand not wanting to give Acres 3 years. But I don't understand why the club is happy to throw him away for nothing. Makes no sense to me. Regardless of his previous time here he still had a very good year and has shown that he's capable of playing AA footy. Unless it's a hogan type deal where we just want to get rid of him for cultural reasons then it's just baffling that we'd let him go for pick 50. And from what I can see he is a very popular player amongst the group so it's definitely not that.

 

[malpaso]

They are getting a few off their books.

So are we..