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Richmond also used 5 picks in the top 30 last year.
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Not really, we can keep him if we want to. Brodie had no suitors until we offered pick 19, Fiorini has a few and we haven't offered any picks in return. We'll get more for Fiorini maybe a future 2nd.
That's why I said I'm not too sure if they're rebuilding or reloading. They want to attack the draft but also stock up on free agents. You can't really get the best of both worlds in the AFL.
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Richmond just finding a way to bring in top 5 draft picks from the years they were winning the flag.. just doing so a few years down the track.
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Tbf they were good 3 years ago when we gave them that money
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One moment people want to dump players who are on over inflated wages only to overpay premium A Grade players who just need one knee injury away from ruining our list…
We are an intelligent bunch on here sometimes
We are an intelligent bunch on here sometimes
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What we do different to other clubs is just exclusively pick in the first round.
We’ve been drafting kids after kids
Jy Farrar has been our only late pick mature ager that gone on to play some games
We seriously just need some mature agers who can play their role. I’m not saying no to a graders.
Players like;
Tom Stewart, Nathan broad, Luke Ryan, brody mihocek
Bought ‘em in cheap and let ‘em play a role,
We’ve got some in Burgess & Corbett unfortunately in the only position we’re fully stocked in.
I think our midfield is good enough to play finals.
Witt’s, moyle, Anderson, Rowell, Miller, swallow, flanders, hollands, Fiorini, Bowes, Davies, Weller
There’s a mix of experience, speed, contested, 2-way runners.
Add in the best mid available with our pick in the draft too
Look at freo Darcy, Brodie, brayshaw, serong, mundy. We actually smashed their midfield too, we are not far off at all.
Collins, Ballard, Andrew, Powell, Farrar, lemmens back 6 with Ellis possible is solid enough
We’ve been drafting kids after kids
Jy Farrar has been our only late pick mature ager that gone on to play some games
We seriously just need some mature agers who can play their role. I’m not saying no to a graders.
Players like;
Tom Stewart, Nathan broad, Luke Ryan, brody mihocek
Bought ‘em in cheap and let ‘em play a role,
We’ve got some in Burgess & Corbett unfortunately in the only position we’re fully stocked in.
I think our midfield is good enough to play finals.
Witt’s, moyle, Anderson, Rowell, Miller, swallow, flanders, hollands, Fiorini, Bowes, Davies, Weller
There’s a mix of experience, speed, contested, 2-way runners.
Add in the best mid available with our pick in the draft too
Look at freo Darcy, Brodie, brayshaw, serong, mundy. We actually smashed their midfield too, we are not far off at all.
Collins, Ballard, Andrew, Powell, Farrar, lemmens back 6 with Ellis possible is solid enough
Holman is a prototype of cheap and role player too.
Time to play finals with an existing list.
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Interesting pies can afford to go for McStay 600k Fiorini 500k hill?
While not honouring Grundys contract and paying for treloar contract still.
And we are apparently close to maxing out the salary while dumping Brodie 600k, Wright 600k and greenwood 400k allegedly
Somethings not right
Edit: also trying to offer JDG 800k
While not honouring Grundys contract and paying for treloar contract still.
And we are apparently close to maxing out the salary while dumping Brodie 600k, Wright 600k and greenwood 400k allegedly
Somethings not right
Edit: also trying to offer JDG 800k
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Id be pretty happy for Stew to just copy the swans system
Their defence;
Robbie fox
Jake Lloyd
Tom McCartin
Paddy McCartin (the second time)
Dane Rampe
Harry Cunningham
Their whole back line besides paddy all not high draft picks all solid strong role players who would literally cost nothing
While their best kicker braeden Campbell a pick 5 can’t even get a game
So much money saved up to pay the boys in the middle and forward lines
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What picks do Collingwood have this year?
Could we do Fiorini and pick 50ish
They do a 2023 2nd and 4th
Something like that.
Respect brayden
Was at the vfl game in Sydney.
Been part of previous leadership groups.
Decent player in the right role.
But clearly he isn’t first choice in his best role and hasn’t really been able to perform consistently well in other roles.
Not upset if he wants to move on.
Could we do Fiorini and pick 50ish
They do a 2023 2nd and 4th
Something like that.
Respect brayden
Was at the vfl game in Sydney.
Been part of previous leadership groups.
Decent player in the right role.
But clearly he isn’t first choice in his best role and hasn’t really been able to perform consistently well in other roles.
Not upset if he wants to move on.
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We pay extra to build in northern states.
Probably b/c we have too many of two types of highly paid contracts.
First, the big loyalty contracts for old hands like Swallow (reported at $800k), Rory ($750k if I remember right?), and Sexton (reported at $500k) are way too high. Throw in Wittsy who is one of the highest paid rucks in the comp, but has at least got close to delivering value.
While Swallow has been good, he has been paid like a Touk level superstar for several years and still more to go.
Hopefully, one these expire, we won't need to have big loyalty bumps in future deals. Little bumps can be handled (Touk?), big bumps not so much. Good clubs don't have many loyalty deals, they often go the other way where players could have got more money elsewhere.
Second, the early contracts for high draft picks. All clubs pay for potential with young talented players. But we have a lot of them. We actually have too many of them at the moment b/c while those pre-selected academy players came cheap in terms of draft capital, they still got to be paid. Budders, Davies and Jeffrey would all be getting paid like high draft picks.
Suspect, like the Giants, we will always have plenty of these as we will consistently lose good players to home states (Rankine) or to a big Melbourne club to play in front of big mcg crowds.
tldr.
Our cap will always be full. Get over it.
Agree, Richmond are also paying Dusty 1.3m plus Lynch etc but can afford Taranto and Hopper
Richmond will have to lose some players. Soldo is one that will be out the door. Edwards has already retired. Riewoldt and Cotchin will be on fairly reduced salaries in their new deals as well.
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Bigger clubs can afford for their older players to cop smaller salaries. I’m sure they are being compensated elsewhere (media deals, advertising etc.), so while they are taking a paycut they can still offset some of the losses.
Pretty much every big name player in Melbourne can get extra money outside of the cap, and they know they can probably get a job after football if they want it.
We won’t be able to compete with that. I’ve seen Rowell and Gaz on some advertising in our history, but that’s about it. I’m sure we’ve had a couple others, but hardly to the level of big clubs down south.
I know, Brodie was here discussed extensively but just for fun, how many people actually agree with Healy below that Brodie is a big loss for Suns?
Another Healy's view is that he would be first or second picked. I can't believe Healy would actually pick Brodie possibly ahead of Miller and Anderson. Personally, I would still not pick Brodie ahead of Swallow and Rowell either. And I would still be putting games into Davies ahead of Brodie. Anyway just curious.
Watching Freo vs WB, I thought Brodie was clearly their worst midfielder behind Serong, Brayshaw and Mundy with ordinary disposal.
I am happy for Brodie just can't believe the crap from Healy. Just my view.
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Another Healy's view is that he would be first or second picked. I can't believe Healy would actually pick Brodie possibly ahead of Miller and Anderson. Personally, I would still not pick Brodie ahead of Swallow and Rowell either. And I would still be putting games into Davies ahead of Brodie. Anyway just curious.
Watching Freo vs WB, I thought Brodie was clearly their worst midfielder behind Serong, Brayshaw and Mundy with ordinary disposal.
I am happy for Brodie just can't believe the crap from Healy. Just my view.
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He has struggled to establish himself at Gold Coast.
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All it takes is 650K to pay required min cap or full cap. All what clubs can do is bank 5% for 2 consecutive years but then they have to use it following year.
We had many young draftees, the youngest list, somebody got to be paid. Covid cap cut had impact by deferring contracts. Yes, top draftees are generally overpaid. Now with a lot of them entering 3-5th year they will demand higher salary.
With Rankine gone - that's 5% right there. Next year, Fiorini, Sexton, Thompson contracts expire - 15%. Obviously, that's when Anderson and Rowell new contacts would kick in.
Plenty of players still uncontracted this year - again some manipulations available there.
Yes, we generally overpaid to keep or attract players in the past. The club under Dew is changing this approach according to interview with Dew in GC Bulletin and according to article recently players re-signed for less.
Personally, I am happy the club followed this strategy and did not over-pay Rankine. Some players will drop out. No disaster considering the talent we got. GWS situation show that over-paying long-term is not sustainable. We just need to play finals to motivate players more to stay for less.
We had many young draftees, the youngest list, somebody got to be paid. Covid cap cut had impact by deferring contracts. Yes, top draftees are generally overpaid. Now with a lot of them entering 3-5th year they will demand higher salary.
With Rankine gone - that's 5% right there. Next year, Fiorini, Sexton, Thompson contracts expire - 15%. Obviously, that's when Anderson and Rowell new contacts would kick in.
Plenty of players still uncontracted this year - again some manipulations available there.
Yes, we generally overpaid to keep or attract players in the past. The club under Dew is changing this approach according to interview with Dew in GC Bulletin and according to article recently players re-signed for less.
Personally, I am happy the club followed this strategy and did not over-pay Rankine. Some players will drop out. No disaster considering the talent we got. GWS situation show that over-paying long-term is not sustainable. We just need to play finals to motivate players more to stay for less.
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Brodie clearly wasn't up to it at the Suns, lots of rumours of poor fitness/lack of professionalism. Seems a clear case of moving clubs giving him the kick in the arse he needed to realise his talent. Partly that's on Dew/The Suns for not getting the best out of him, but partly that's on Brodie too which gets glossed over.I know, Brodie was here discussed extensively but just for fun, how many people actually agree with Healy below that Brodie is a big loss for Suns?
Another Healy's view is that he would be first or second picked. I can't believe Healy would actually pick Brodie possibly ahead of Miller and Anderson. Personally, I would still not pick Brodie ahead of Swallow and Rowell either. And I would still be putting games into Davies ahead of Brodie. Anyway just curious.
Watching Freo vs WB, I thought Brodie was clearly their worst midfielder behind Serong, Brayshaw and Mundy with ordinary disposal.
I am happy for Brodie just can't believe the crap from Healy.
Suns midfielder in sights of Collingwood
He has struggled to establish himself at Gold Coast.
Regarding the big salaries, isn't the minimum 95% of the cap? So the club essentially has to pay someone right? I guess the issue is the length of contracts, but it's kind of a no win situation.
Do you agree with Healy that Brodie is a big loss for Suns?
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Agree with this.
Success also means the players will earn more through outside sources as their profile increases.
There was clear improvement this year, next step is making finals then who knows. That will keep players interested for a while.
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No, as we were never getting the Freo version of Will Brodie.
Healy is a clown imho, can't stand him on Fox, he's always down on the Suns.
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IF ...
Jason Johannisen would be a nice pick-up ...THEN ...
he's not going to be a season-shaping one. Surely there is another target in mind.No, he still wouldn't be playing this season if he stayed. Is he doing well at Freo, Yes.
If he better than Noah Anderson or Touk Miller, No.
His upside isn't better than Ellijah Hollands or even Alex Davies.
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