2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

[RowellAnderson12]

I get that we had to pay guys to make 95% cap.
But why on earth did we pay them lots AND give them 3-4 year contracts.

Pay them a lot for 2 years and then re-evaluate the cap situation.

I've never really understood.

Could be a case of;

Player A is getting 4 years why am I only getting 2?

Player B will then get the 4 years because we were to scared to lose players.

 

[sunsofanarchy]

We needed to stop the rot of people leaving. That was dews first job. We did what we needed to do, Bowes will go, but if we retain our core it's not panic stations, like gran says, a stitch in time will save nine.

 

[Deleted member 2402071]

I have to admit though, 2yrs ago I had Bowes bookmarked to be one of our best players by now. Entering his prime & ripping up the midfield. And would have paid him as such.

Unfortunate the structure of his contract is so diabolical, it’s not sustainable - which falls on Cameron.

 

[Ben Drever]

Massive disconnection between the team list management/recruiting team

And the guys who actually picking the team each week.

Someone should ask Dew whose next on his chopping block so we can look to fill that void.
And whoever is on Dews hit list shouldn’t be getting 4 year contracts on 600k

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Could be a case of;

Player A is getting 4 years why am I only getting 2?

Player B will then get the 4 years because we were to scared to lose players.

Yeah I think so.
But was anyone really coming for Jack Bowes at the end of 2021/2022??

Of anyone, if we offered him market rate you would have thought he would have been a very low flight risk.
It seems like we've got a bit more confidence in our retention now - you think we should only be offering 4+ years to the really good players... yet we hear reports of B.Long for 4 years.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

 

[Jirik13]

Massive disconnection between the team list management/recruiting team

And the guys who actually picking the team each week.

Someone should ask Dew whose next on his chopping block so we can look to fill that void.
And whoever is on Dews hit list shouldn’t be getting 4 year contracts on 600k

Our best 22 looks pretty exciting to me. With a healthy list, do we really need anything urgently? I don't buy into that we need urgently KPD. A top player would never hurt but otherwise I think it's time for finals next year with the current list unless we are decimated with injuries.

Yes, giving 5 year contract to Bowes in 2019 does not look smart move now at all. Back ending I understand but giving 5 years on potential is a mistake. I guess, in that time they were very happy for players to commit long-term. The club also did not know that we will be getting all those concessions picks and free-pre-selections and as a result getting e.g. Anderson, Flanders as extra. In that time Bowes also looked good.

It could be 600K only last 2 years but anyway too high based on what he delivers now. All those top picks get 400-450K in 4th year so you do expect increase over 5 years. We certainly should stop paying on potential. Maybe we started to do it with Rankine.

I do feel for Bowes. The club probably approached him as other players about back ending contract, he helps and then he is toiling this year in VFL (rightly so IMO) and now is asked to look for a new home and the new club will be asking most probably to spread the contract. Suns could possibly pay part of his salary.

Pick 7 is a great value. But to lose it really does not bother me too much but it's a bad look no doubt. If it helps sorting out our cap, and create room for a top player down the track or re-signing Anderson/Rowell I am ok with it. No point to bring too many top draftees now and pay them good money only to have them leave in 3-5 years because not able to pay them or they don't get opportunity. Current GWS is a scary warning.

 

[Jirik13]

Could we have actually 4 promising academy kids joining us next year? Watching the game, Graham looks good too. All actually look good. Walter is a monster body already.

 

[RowellAnderson12]

Yeah I think so.
But was anyone really coming for Jack Bowes at the end of 2021/2022??

Of anyone, if we offered him market rate you would have thought he would have been a very low flight risk.
It seems like we've got a bit more confidence in our retention now - you think we should only be offering 4+ years to the really good players... yet we hear reports of B.Long for 4 years.

Hard to say what Bowes is actually on as no official report. There will always be numbers chucked around but fact is

Bowes in 2017-2020 was on $500k from the Famous 4 (Ainsworth, Scrimshaw, Brodie, Bowes)

He signed a 4 year contract in 2019 to end to 2024.

2019 we were last in Every measure

We had Hanley, Miles, Martin, Harbrow, Sexton, Miller, Day, Young, Thompson, Hombsch, Lemmens, Swallow, Witt’s, Murdoch, Rischitelli over 75!!!!! AFL games.

If everyone just took a step back and looked why we had to give those young guys big money to even hit 95% floor of the salary cap. You could understand why were in this situation.

Dead last, no guns and no ability to attract any stars. Due to happen, North are in a similar situation let’s see what happens over there.

They let Ben Brown go because they didn’t want to pay $750k he’s a premiership player now and North back to back spooners

 

[Jirik13]

yet we hear reports of B.Long for 4 years.

If it's correct. It could be 3+1. But then he would not probably come. That's the reality at the moment.

 

[RowellAnderson12]

If it's correct. It could be 3+1. But then he would not probably come. That's the reality at the moment.

Somewhere out there, are 100 rejections to come to us.

Did we not try and pay Tom Mitchell near $1mil or something when he left the Swans?

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Could we have actually 4 promising academy kids joining us next year? Watching the game, Graham looks good too. All actually look good. Walter is a monster body already.

That would be amazing.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Sorry to intrude

I really cant see how the crows wouldnt be all over this deal and doing all they could to convince Bowes he would be loved at the Crows
They have so little depth and are likely to finish bottom 4 again and would have so much cap space to spare with all their stars finishing up and the younger generation apart from 3-4 looking like min chips rookies.

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

 

[Jirik13]

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

Am I missing something?

 

[Gorringe Can Suck One]

Sorry to intrude

I really cant see how the crows wouldnt be all over this deal and doing all they could to convince Bowes he would be loved at the Crows
They have so little depth and are likely to finish bottom 4 again and would have so much cap space to spare with all their stars finishing up and the younger generation apart from 3-4 looking like min chips rookies.

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

they ain’t gonna like this bro


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[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Sorry to intrude

I really cant see how the crows wouldnt be all over this deal and doing all they could to convince Bowes he would be loved at the Crows
They have so little depth and are likely to finish bottom 4 again and would have so much cap space to spare with all their stars finishing up and the younger generation apart from 3-4 looking like min chips rookies.

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

Enjoy your holiday.

 

[CanYouFeelTheSunburn]

Sorry to intrude

I really cant see how the crows wouldnt be all over this deal and doing all they could to convince Bowes he would be loved at the Crows
They have so little depth and are likely to finish bottom 4 again and would have so much cap space to spare with all their stars finishing up and the younger generation apart from 3-4 looking like min chips rookies.

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

Absolute pisstake. I’m all for oppo supporters coming onto our board in good faith but this is just a deliberate jibe to get a rise out of us. **** off back to your own board.

 

[OB11]

Sorry to intrude

I really cant see how the crows wouldnt be all over this deal and doing all they could to convince Bowes he would be loved at the Crows
They have so little depth and are likely to finish bottom 4 again and would have so much cap space to spare with all their stars finishing up and the younger generation apart from 3-4 looking like min chips rookies.

Rankine & Bowes to Crows
Crows 2nd rounder to the Suns

Don't know why everyone is so quick to belittle this take. Yes it sucks for us (as all the proposals do) but it basically is just valuing the salary dump as pick 5/7 with something coming back to us...like pretty much all these other deals being discussed out there.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Don't know why everyone is so quick to belittle this take. Yes it sucks for us (as all the proposals do) but it basically is just valuing the salary dump as pick 5/7 with something coming back to us...like pretty much all these other deals being discussed out there.

Rankine for 5 is a fair trade imo. The Sun's want to keep him. Probably best to keep it separate from a salary dump.

Maybe Bowes and 7 for some 2023 picks given we are going to need a lot of points.

 

[Supersuns]

Rankine for 5 is a fair trade imo. The Sun's want to keep him. Probably best to keep it separate from a salary dump.

Maybe Bowes and 7 for some 2023 picks given we are going to need a lot of points.

Bowes and 7 into 2023 is the ideal situation imo

 

[Obeanie1]

Could be a really horrific trade period if things don't start improving.
Let's see -
1: 4 already delisted BUT no-one of any note
2: Rankine probably gone and will be missed
3: Sharp wants to go home - potential and worth keeping for at least one more year
4: Corbett, Burgess reportedly getting interest from another club - solid and great 2nd string players
5: Bowes - on the chopping block. Never quite been given a go BUT if salary is correct, he's way over paid as a support player.

That's potentially 9 players leaving with no definite arrivals (maybe Long).

...and of course we signed Caleb Graham to a 4 year contract at who knows what amount!

We still have Rory, Day and Atkins salaries creating issues as well.

Desperately need Anderson and Rowell to resign OR a big couple of signings to get the confidence levels up again.

Doesnt the Suns have the largest list ATM due to those concessions?

And list size is now being reduced back in line with other clubs?

If so several of the players cut wont need replacing from a list number perspective.

 

[Jirik13]

And list size is now being reduced back in line with other clubs?

No official news on both list size and concessions (free pre-sections) yet.

 

[Jirik13]

Don't know why everyone is so quick to belittle this take. Yes it sucks for us (as all the proposals do) but it basically is just valuing the salary dump as pick 5/7 with something coming back to us...like pretty much all these other deals being discussed out there.

He does suggest Rankine is for free.

 

[OB11]

He does suggest Rankine is for free.

Effectively yes, but the price is Bowes.

Ideally I want the Crows to pay what they owe.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

He does suggest Rankine is for free.

Ok then you do a pick swap
Rankine+Bowes+#7 for #5+ 2022 or 2023 2nd rounder

Basically the fundamentals of the trade remain the same
If its a $1.6 mil salary dump there are only 6-7 clubs that could even contemplate taking the full salary
Hawks,Bombers,North,Crows,St kilda,Fremantle and maybe 1 more

2023 2nd rounders that are bottom 4 clubs are going to be extremely sought after