2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

[Supersuns]

Flanders and Elijah getting serious midfield minutes would be great next season.
4th full season for Noah should see some serious consistency.

 

[Scotty_222]

I can see what they are trying to do, I wonder if they still try and add depth this year on fringe players from other clubs?

 

[Ben Drever]

A 22yo KPD who has clearly improved every season?

Isn’t that what you would expect from any player?
Growth? Experience
You’d hope so considering we just gave him a new contract?

Doesn’t mean he is best 22 material or a worthy premiership player.

Days been average for 10 plus years.
Some players get lucky with there career due to there size.

To win a premiership your bottom 6 players need to be a higher calibre then the opposition's.

 

[Ben Drever]

Things to occur this trade period:

• Ben Drever to continue posting negative comments
• Crows supporters to be smug and entitled to Rankine for free since since we are doing a salary cap dump
• Suns supporters to blow up over the salary cap dump and loss of Bowes, Fiorini, Corbett, Rankine, Sharp etc
• Me to drink heavily and make bad decisions

I’ll post facts or as close to the truth I can get.

Which side of the fence it goes.

It’s upto the club.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Isn’t that what you would expect from any player?
Growth? Experience
You’d hope so considering we just gave him a new contract?

Doesn’t mean he is best 22 material or a worthy premiership player.

Days been average for 10 plus years.
Some players get lucky with there career due to there size.

To win a premiership your bottom 6 players need to be a higher calibre then the opposition's.

Z Guthrie has been spoken about the way you speak of Graham for years, often with good reason.

He had an excellent season this year and is now a premiership player. Some players take longer to improve.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Seems clearer to me that we need to set out our desired list structure and salary payments for 4 years from now.l when we are hopefully contending.

Work out what we will be paying players at each level.

Elite 2 players 750 - 900k (eg J Cameron)
A grade 4 players 550 - 750k (eg C Guthrie)
Above average 10 players 450 - 550k (eg M Duncan)
Important role player 5 players 250 - 400k (eg I Smith)
Fringe 8 players 200 - 300k (eg B Parfitt)
Mature VFL depth 4 players 150 - 250k (eg J Ceglar)
Developing youngster high end talent 2 players 250 - 400k (eg S De Koning)
Developing youngster mid rated talent 3 players 150 - 250k (eg Cooper Stevens)
Developing youngster long shot 3 players rookie list (eg Nick Stevens)
Veteran cheap contract / rookie list 2 players (eg J Selwood)

That’s ~38 on primary list, ~5 rookie spots
About 14.5 million on cap.

Applying to the 2025 Suns.

Elite 750 - 900k: Miller, Anderson
A grade 550 - 750k: B King, M Rowell, E Hollands, J Lukosius
Above average 450 - 550k: W Powell, C Ballard, M Chol, B Ainsworth, J Jeffrey, M Andrew, A Davies, S Flanders, 2-3 trade ins)
Important role player players 250 - 400k: N Holman, S Lemmens, B Long, S Collins, J Farrar, L Weller, M Rosas, C Graham, C Budarick.
Fringe 200 - 300k: possibly some young guys on list if they continue to improve eg. S Brock, possibly some trade ins.
Mature VFL depth 4 players 150 - 250k: N Holman? C Constable, C Burgess, quite possible this changes.
Developing youngster high end talent 2250 - 400k: N Moyle, J Walter, future draft picks
Developing youngster mid rated talent 150 - 250k: future draft picks
Developing youngster long shot / rookie list: O Faulkhead, B Uwland, S Brock.
Veteran cheap contract / rookie list 2 players: J Witt’s, D Swallow, B Ellis.


Doing this I’d say we have a good nucleus. We still have a lot of ‘role players’ and ultimately probably need a few more ‘above average’ and or ‘a graders’

By clearing up the cap and continuing to improve maybe we can snag one or two Jordan Dawson

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level players in the next few years.

 

[Deleted member 2402071]

HS speculating GWS Nick Haynes

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32

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326.8

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17.4

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13.9

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will be a salary dump as he enters the backend portion of his contract worth up to $1mil per year.

I know we are whinging here of dumping fringe players, me included, but GWS are losing multiple best 22. Things could be a hell of a lot worse.

 

[kreglze]

HS speculating GWS Nick Haynes will be a salary dump as he enters the backend portion of his contract worth up to $1mil per year.

I know we are whinging here of dumping fringe players, but GWS are losing multiple best 22. Things could be a hell of a lot worse.

That is dire if true.

 

[Supersuns]

Haynes has fallen off a cliff too in performance.
Id much rather lose pick 7 this season then in 3 seasons have best 22 players walk out the door

 

[Sun Stormer]

Isn’t that what you would expect from any player?
Growth? Experience
You’d hope so considering we just gave him a new contract?

Doesn’t mean he is best 22 material or a worthy premiership player.

Days been average for 10 plus years.
Some players get lucky with there career due to there size.

To win a premiership your bottom 6 players need to be a higher calibre then the opposition's.

We are in huge shit if Graham is best 22....would struggle to get a game anywhere else.

 

[Sun Stormer]

HS speculating GWS Nick Haynes will be a salary dump as he enters the backend portion of his contract worth up to $1mil per year.

I know we are whinging here of dumping fringe players, me included, but GWS are losing multiple best 22. Things could be a hell of a lot worse.

I'd take Nick Haynes - intercept mark and experienced bigger body player.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we were the trailblazers for this salary dump mechanism and other clubs seeing us go hard it makes them do similar. Twomey went in to great detail about it on Trade Exchange yesterday, very fascinating and has shifted my view somewhat.

The thing people aren't talking about though is the cultural ramifications of these moves. Especially when you basically **** off a heart and soul academy product like Bowes who wants to be here. How much issue that causes remains to be seen...

 

[Sunny_]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we were the trailblazers for this salary dump mechanism and other clubs seeing us go hard it makes them do similar. Twomey went in to great detail about it on Trade Exchange yesterday, very fascinating and has shifted my view somewhat.

The thing people aren't talking about though is the cultural ramifications of these moves. Especially when you basically * off a heart and soul academy product like Bowes who wants to be here. How much issue that causes remains to be seen...

This is a point I had thought about as well, but I guess the counter to that is that at the moment we, as a club, have a culture of not winning many games and never playing finals (much less winning them). We're looking to change our culture. It's all good supporting heart and soul players, but that doesn't do the team much good if the team is always struggling. You could argue that we need cultural changes, and this gets us onto the ruthless winning mentality that some players might not only appreciate, but will draw others in.

But time will tell if that's effective or not. It's definitely a mentality shift.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

This is a point I had thought about as well, but I guess the counter to that is that at the moment we, as a club, have a culture of not winning many games and never playing finals (much less winning them). We're looking to change our culture. It's all good supporting heart and soul players, but that doesn't do the team much good if the team is always struggling. You could argue that we need cultural changes, and this gets us onto the ruthless winning mentality that some players might not only appreciate, but will draw others in.

But time will tell if that's effective or not. It's definitely a mentality shift.

For sure and one could argue with the amount of player movement this year that players see it as less of a big deal. Sure, the player himself may be a bit cheesed but the whole strategy of salary dumping players who want to be there is normalising in the minds of fans/players.

One other ancillary point I would like to make is it is good to see the clubs getting some power back over players. I do think the players should be paid three times what they are though, the executives in the AFL should not be earning more than the players.

 

[Jirik13]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we were the trailblazers for this salary dump mechanism and other clubs seeing us go hard it makes them do similar. Twomey went in to great detail about it on Trade Exchange yesterday, very fascinating and has shifted my view somewhat.

The thing people aren't talking about though is the cultural ramifications of these moves. Especially when you basically * off a heart and soul academy product like Bowes who wants to be here. How much issue that causes remains to be seen...

I guess, for me it is all about "Is Bowes in the best 22?". IMO, no. So I am ok to move him on.

It could actually turn out a great move for Bowes. No player wants to be toiling in reserves and he will still get paid. He still has a potential to be a good player. A well-oiled Cats machine could be blessing for him.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

I guess, for me it is all about "Is Bowes in the best 22?". IMO, no. So I am ok to move him on.

I hear you. I have definitely ceased raging about it now and trying to understand the clubs position.

 

[Sunny_]

I don't care as much about Bowes as I do about Sharp. The narrative around that seems to have shifted to something along the lines of him definitely ending up at Fremantle. I thought he was progressing reasonably well and that he'd be key to how we play, but obviously not. Club must have a lot of faith in Hollands playing that role in the future well. Must be more going on there that we don't know, because AFAIK he's not on a big contract and we've kept contracted homesick players in the past. For the club to be so willing to move him on smells a bit.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

I'd take Nick Haynes - intercept mark and experienced bigger body player.

Did you see him play this year? He was terrible.

 

[The Gotham Penguin]

I don't care as much about Bowes as I do about Sharp. The narrative around that seems to have shifted to something along the lines of him definitely ending up at Fremantle. I thought he was progressing reasonably well and that he'd be key to how we play, but obviously not. Club must have a lot of faith in Hollands playing that role in the future well. Must be more going on there that we don't know, because AFAIK he's not on a big contract and we've kept contracted homesick players in the past. For the club to be so willing to move him on smells a bit.

Sorry but for me Sharp is a worse short-stepper than Luko.

I can stomach Luko for the elite kicking he has.

Sharp isn't anywhere near Luko in ability - add that to a Phoenix Spicer-like terror of physical contact,and I'm happy to see the back of him.

Numerous times when it was 'his turn to go' or 'stand under the ball' - he didn't.

That's a very hard habit to break out of.

Easy decision to get rid for mine.

 

[OB11]

The strategy they have is fine now.

The problem is when they keep changing strategies they now have to clean up their messes of their past strategies using future assets.

At least when the Pies did this it was to have a crack at a premiership.

 

[OB11]

Sorry but for me Sharp is a worse short-stepper than Luko.

I can stomach Luko for the elite kicking he has.

Sorry but for me Sharp is a worse short-stepper than Luko.

I can stomach Luko for the elite kicking he has.

Sharp isn't anywhere near Luko in ability - add that to a Phoenix Spicer-like terror of physical contact,and I'm happy to see the back of him.

Numerous times when it was 'his turn to go' or 'stand under the ball' - he didn't.

That's a very hard habit to break out of.

Easy decision to get rid for mine.

It is below AFL standard - I don't get it as he is built like Tarzan but plays like Jane when it is one on one contest

 

[Iva Bigun]

Ripping the bandaid off now rather than pay for it in the future. Its smart. The club now has realised its better to focus on a premiership list rather than stockpiling talent.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-latest-trade-free-agency-and-contract-updates/news-story/2118c07a24d853cbd445de7e4eb4cd69

This is self serving BS, a year after May and Lynch left Cameron was talking about a focus on drafting high quality draftees and have the all come through together to create a bond. Now it’s we have too many that cost too much in the 3rd year so we are dumping talent and draft picks.

The reality is he has totally botched the salary cap and is trying to spin it as this is the cutting edge of list management which is total BS. The biggest issue is with clearing space you have to have players ( guns) wanting to come and there is no evidence that this is the case.

Amateurish

 

[Sunny_]

New details, Bowes owed 800k+ over each of the next two years - so over 1.6mil.

 

[kreglze]

If true, that is a lot of money tied up in Bowes, must have been expecting him to star by this point.

 

[Supersuns]

If true, that is a lot of money tied up in Bowes, must have been expecting him to star by this point.

I like Jack and will be disappointed to see him go but he just doesn't have that speed to be a genuine threat. His spatial awareness also isn't good enough for someone that slow, he will be a good midfielder but not someone worth 800k for the next 2 seasons.