List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

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Vader said:
Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.
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PeterSalt said:
From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

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There's a link in the post above
 
Vader said:
When was it confirmed? Can you please link to an article confirming it?

The last afl.com.au article I saw confirmed that the Veterans List was a definite no, but only said that clubs were anticipating MSD selections being given 3.5 years on the rookie list.

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Yeah, you might be right. A quick google seems to still have articles saying it's expected but I haven't found anything yet that says definitely confirmed.

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WaynesWorld19 said:
We can "bank" TPP funds, from one year into the next year .....IIRC that leeway is 5% off the min spend to 5% over the maximum spend
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I don't know if the rules have changed in the past couple of years, but you used to be able to 'bank' TPP underspend from the past three years.

So going into 2024 for example, we'd be able to use any cap underspend from 2021, 2022 and 2023. The restriction was that you could only go 5% over the TPP cap in one year, even if you had more than that available
 

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courageous_tom said:
I don't know if the rules have changed in the past couple of years, but you used to be able to 'bank' TPP underspend from the past three years.

So going into 2024 for example, we'd be able to use any cap underspend from 2021, 2022 and 2023. The restriction was that you could only go 5% over the TPP cap in one year, even if you had more than that available
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That sounds pretty close to what I read somewhere too .....had forgotten about the 3 year component
 
119others said:
Actually don’t mind them both even haha

JJ is respectful, big picture and knows his stuff

Davis doesn’t yet have the media experience but is a class individual - inaugural club captain and 99% HSC score..
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He’s smart and considered just not sure that translates to radio well.
 
Samcro24 said:
What’s ridiculous is being a well resourced club with plenty of cap space with a pressing need and not being able to meet it.

Ridiculous is acting like that’s not a complete fail.

This is not splitting the atom, turning water into wine or curing cancer. Merely trading for a player or players that will help take the next step.

Literally every semi competent club does it every offseason!
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That’s absolute horseshit. Every club, including ours, can get decent players in. It is not common for genuinely top-tier players to be traded. Like only a few a year.

We don’t have a pressing need for decent midfielders, or decent KPDs, or decent anything. We need top-tier players, and getting them is hard. Rankine and Dawson is two good years, it’s about par for us to go a year without a trade for a player at that level.

Who did Sydney get last year? No one. Geelong? Bruhn, Henry, Bowes, all of them good, but not top-tier. Hawks? Amon.

How are the Dees going with their pressing need for a gun key fwd?
 
Samcro24 said:
What’s ridiculous is being a well resourced club with plenty of cap space with a pressing need and not being able to meet it.

Ridiculous is acting like that’s not a complete fail.

This is not splitting the atom, turning water into wine or curing cancer. Merely trading for a player or players that will help take the next step.

Literally every semi competent club does it every offseason!
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I think you’re getting too excited there - thats not the case and if you actually think about it you would probably agree. There are very few guns traded each year and if an elite talent changes clubs doesn’t that in theory make his original club weaker?


I am actually stoked that in the past 4-5 years instead of sitting back and waiting for something to land in our laps we seem to be more aggresive but most importantly smarter about how we go about it. We have put pressure on other clubs to pay up, we have identified players who may want to return to SA, we have definitely plucked players who have improved at our club.
 
Crow till I die said:
Thought this might go here in this thread..we are one of the few to NEVER have a leg up from the AFL

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And GWS recieved the biggest start up concessions ever, and Geelong have had the father son advantage as well as Frank Costa secret herbs and spices.

Only conclusion is our club has been too proud to get fair treatment.
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
That sounds pretty close to what I read somewhere too .....had forgotten about the 3 year component
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3 years includes the first year at 95%, then over the next two years you can have up to 5% extra (for example 102% first year, 103% second year) before having to go back to 100% max

Or you could straight up use 105%, the year after using 95%, before having to revert back to 100%
 
Crowked said:
Geelong get their assistance through GC. In fact most Vic clubs have received assistance through their feeder clubs
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The rigged F/S system is assistance as are the football academies. The GWS and GCS have a massive leg up. Sydney and Brisbane have been getting F/S benefits from 2 clubs.
 

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Crow till I die said:
Thought this might go here in this thread..we are one of the few to NEVER have a leg up from the AFL

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We didn't even get the first pick in the draft when we came bottom.
 


Decade of trade: Pies, Cats, Dees and Power the kings of the silly season​

In the last decade, one club has made more trades than anyone else, but have they been the best? Scott Gullan goes deep inside a decade of trades to work out the rulers of the AFL’s trade period.


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Only three clubs have traded every year over the past decade with Carlton the most trigger happy when it comes to the AFL‘s exchange period.
The Blues have brought in 27 players since 2013 with Melbourne next on 22 while the least active has been Sydney with just eight trades.
While free agency has given clubs another avenue to bring in players, a look at the traditional trade period which now runs for 10 days in October throws up some interesting results.

CROWS DEALS AND RATING​

2013
James Podsiadly (Geelong)
2014
Kyle Cheney (Hawthorn)
Luke Lowden (Hawthorn)
2015
Dean Gore (Geelong)
Curtly Hampton (GWS Giants)
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood)
Troy Menzel (Carlton)
2017
Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
Sam Gibson (North Melbourne)
2018
Tyson Stengle (Richmond)
2019
Billy Frampton (Port Adelaide)
2021
Jordan Dawson (Sydney)
2022
Izak Rankine (Gold Coast)
RATING: B-
Snoozed for a while but have come good in a hurry with their new captain Dawson and Rankine in past couple of years.

FERALS​


POWER DEALS AND RATING​

2013
Jared Polec (Brisbane Lions)
2014
Paddy Ryder (Essendon)
2015
Charlie Dixon (Gold Coast)
Jimmy Toumpas (Melbourne)
2017
Jack Watts (Melbourne)
2018
Ryan Burton (Hawthorn)
Sam Mayes (Brisbane)
2020
Aliir Aliir (Sydney)
Orazio Fantasia (Essendon)
2021
Jeremy Finlayson (GWS Giants)
2022
Francis Evans (Geelong)
Jason Horne-Francis (North Melbourne)
Junior Rioli (West Coast)
RATING: B+
Become a constant player and building good track record with Aliir, Finlayson, Horne-Francis and Rioli big ticks.
 
119others said:


Decade of trade: Pies, Cats, Dees and Power the kings of the silly season​

In the last decade, one club has made more trades than anyone else, but have they been the best? Scott Gullan goes deep inside a decade of trades to work out the rulers of the AFL’s trade period.


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Only three clubs have traded every year over the past decade with Carlton the most trigger happy when it comes to the AFL‘s exchange period.
The Blues have brought in 27 players since 2013 with Melbourne next on 22 while the least active has been Sydney with just eight trades.
While free agency has given clubs another avenue to bring in players, a look at the traditional trade period which now runs for 10 days in October throws up some interesting results.

CROWS DEALS AND RATING​

2013
James Podsiadly (Geelong)
2014
Kyle Cheney (Hawthorn)
Luke Lowden (Hawthorn)
2015
Dean Gore (Geelong)
Curtly Hampton (GWS Giants)
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood)
Troy Menzel (Carlton)
2017
Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
Sam Gibson (North Melbourne)
2018
Tyson Stengle (Richmond)
2019
Billy Frampton (Port Adelaide)
2021
Jordan Dawson (Sydney)
2022
Izak Rankine (Gold Coast)
RATING: B-
Snoozed for a while but have come good in a hurry with their new captain Dawson and Rankine in past couple of years.

FERALS​


POWER DEALS AND RATING​

2013
Jared Polec (Brisbane Lions)
2014
Paddy Ryder (Essendon)
2015
Charlie Dixon (Gold Coast)
Jimmy Toumpas (Melbourne)
2017
Jack Watts (Melbourne)
2018
Ryan Burton (Hawthorn)
Sam Mayes (Brisbane)
2020
Aliir Aliir (Sydney)
Orazio Fantasia (Essendon)
2021
Jeremy Finlayson (GWS Giants)
2022
Francis Evans (Geelong)
Jason Horne-Francis (North Melbourne)
Junior Rioli (West Coast)
RATING: B+
Become a constant player and building good track record with Aliir, Finlayson, Horne-Francis and Rioli big ticks.
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Pre 2019 list is embarrassing
 
119others said:
absolutely, but if you took it back a couple of years further we would actually look good overall including Jacobs, Lynch, JJ and Betts as a FA. But yes the specified period is very underwhelming until the last 2 years which we have 'won'
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Shows quite clearly the difference between being crap with heaps of cap space, and good with no cap space
 
and the GF teams...

LIONS DEALS AND RATING​

2013
Jackson Paine (Collingwood)
Trent West (Geelong)
2014
Dayne Beams (Collingwood)
Allen Christensen (Geelong)
2015
Ryan Bastinac (North Melbourne)
Tom Bell (Carlton)
Jarrad Jansen (Geelong)
Josh Walker (Geelong)
2016
Jack Frost (Collingwood)
2017
Charlie Cameron (Adelaide)
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn)
2018
Marcus Adams (Western Bulldogs)
Lincoln McCarthy (Geelong)
Lachie Neale (Fremantle)
2019
Callum Ah Chee (Gold Coast)
2020
Nakia Cockatoo (Geelong)
2021
Darcy Fort (Geelong)
2022
Josh Dunkley (Western Bulldogs)
Jack Gunston (Hawthorn)
RATING: A
Five players in this year‘s grand final side including a two-time Brownlow Medallist is good business.

BLUES DEALS AND RATING​

2013
Sam Docherty (Brisbane)
Andrejs Everitt (Sydney)
2014
Kristian Jaksch (GWS Giants)
Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs)
Mark Whiley (GWS Giants)
2015
Sam Kerridge (Adelaide)
Jed Lamb (GWS Giants)
Liam Sumner (GWS Giants)
Andrew Phillips (GWS Giants)
Lachie Plowman (GWS Giants)
2016
Caleb Marchbank (GWS Giants)
Rhys Palmer (GWS Giants)
Jarrod Pickett (GWS Giants)
Billie Smedts (Geelong)
2017
Matthew Kennedy (GWS Giants)
Darcy Lang (Geelong)
Matthew Lobbe (Port Adelaide)
2018
Mitch McGovern (Adelaide)
Nic Newman (Sydney)
Will Setterfield (GWS Giants)
2019
Eddie Betts (Adelaide)
Marc Pittonet (Hawthorn)
2020
Lachie Fogarty (Geelong)
Adam Saad (Essendon)
2021
Adam Cerra (Fremantle)
Lewis Young (Western Bulldogs)
2022
Blake Acres (Fremantle)
RATING: B
The SOS obsession with GWS Giants players hurt but they‘ve fought back in recent times with Pittonet, Newman, Saad, Cerra and Acres good gets.

MAGPIES DEALS AND RATING​

2013
Taylor Adams (GWS Giants)
Patrick Karnezis (Brisbane)
Jesse White (Sydney)
2014
Jack Crisp (Brisbane)
Levi Greenwood (North Melbourne)
Travis Varcoe (Geelong)
2015
James Aish (Brisbane)
Jeremy Howe (Melbourne)
Adam Treloar (GWS Giants)
2016
Lynden Dunn (Melbourne)
Will Hoskin-Elliott (GWS Giants)
2017
Sam Murray (Sydney)
2018
Dayne Beams (Brisbane)
Jordan Roughead (Western Bulldogs)
2019
Darcy Cameron (Sydney)
2021
Patrick Lipinski (Western Bulldogs)
Nathan Kreuger (Geelong)
2022
Billy Frampton (Adelaide)
Bobby Hill (GWS Giants)
Tom Mitchell (Hawthorn)
RATING: A+
The best in the business at finding diamonds elsewhere as evidenced in this year‘s premiership side.
 
BigFella! said:
Just a thought, but would it be viable for the Crows to Trade pick 10 and Himmelberg for GWS pick 7 and Crows Pick 14 and McAdam for Melbourne Pick 11? Given we are tight for list positions, going into the draft with picks 7, 11 and 20 is a sight better than 10, 23 and 26.
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Did you see what the Dees gave up to move 3 spots for pick #11...
 

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