List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread - Pt2 Now With Added Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth

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[Dockeroo]

We will probably turn over a good few players next year too, with only 6 players in the end being changed from the 2023 to 2024 list:
Wilson
Benning
Colyer
Hamling
Schultz
Henry

Yet again an example of the way the game has gone - it has become exceedingly rare for a AFL club to turnover less than 6 players in an off season. Normally it’s about 8. Snuffaluphagus can we bookmark this for the inevitable debate next July when people are in here saying we will only turn over 3 or 4 players.

It. Simply. Does. Not. Happen. Anymore.

Adelaide in 2012 were the last club to change less than 5 players from their total playing list.

For next year looking at who is OOC - I’d say Corbett, tabs, Banfield, Hughes, Reidy and Nod are the ones in the red zone, based on their 2023 performances.

Of course there will probably we at least one unexpected trade request from a decent player too. If we can keep it to one, that would be reasonable I think.
It just seems to be the modern way - players move more frequently.

 

[freo_leo29]

I believe Hugh Davies at least is in the process of an extension.

2 years

 

[freo_leo29]

We will probably turn over a good few players next year too, with only 6 players in the end being changed from the 2023 to 2024 list:
Wilson
Benning
Colyer
Hamling
Schultz
Henry

Yet again an example of the way the game has gone - it has become exceedingly rare for a AFL club to turnover less than 6 players in an off season. Normally it’s about 8. Snuffaluphagus can we bookmark this for the inevitable debate next July when people are in here saying we will only turn over 3 or 4 players.

It. Simply. Does. Not. Happen. Anymore.

Adelaide in 2012 were the last club to change less than 5 players from their total playing list.

For next year looking at who is OOC - I’d say Corbett, tabs, Banfield, Hughes, Reidy and Nod are the ones in the red zone, based on their 2023 performances.

Of course there will probably we at least one unexpected trade request from a decent player too. If we can keep it to one, that would be reasonable I think.
It just seems to be the modern way - players move more frequently.

If the club had it their way then it certainly would have happened though

 

[nurries]

Walls and Bell have just arrived at the trade centre?

 

[Superkoops]

Walls and Bell have just arrived at the trade centre?

Walls likes the spread they put on after the deadline. He also loves canapés and they start from 4:00pm.

 

[Dockeroo]

Late bombshell??

 

[Sewell21]

Colin Young live on Trade Radio

 

[freo1997]

Colin Young live on Trade Radio

Hasn’t mentioned Bell’s name once.

 

[Joao]

How boring is it doing all our work early?

 

[Tonga Bob]

Jason Dover just clubbed a few other clubs. Will put the link up when it's available.

And is very high on our management.

Obviously none of us are happy with this off-season, but we need to stay the course rather than making reactive changes.

Jason dover

My thoughts on what Dover says:

• Says Walls & Graeme Wright were professional and easy to deal with, which is why the Schultz deal was done quickly;
• He talks more about and gives more praise to Wright for how he courted Schultz over the year and for being willing to give overs to secure him;
• When asked the question around why Freo have lost so many players and whether the criticism is justified, he doesn't actually answer the question. He jokes about media clickbait then mentions some players who we traded in before trading them out again and gives a straight bat about Freo being a well-run club who have a bright future and that he still has some clients playing for Freo.

So I don't think Dover bashed other clubs, and although he says nice things about our management it was more a businessman maintaining amicable working relationships by not speaking ill of his clients' employer rather than a glowing endorsement of us which, compared with how other player managers speak about us, seems like a glowing endorsement.

He had the opportunity to say something like "The criticism of Fremantle's player retention is unfounded. Yes many players have left Fremantle but that's not Fremantle's fault, the club did all they can to provide an environment for the players to play their best football however the reasons why players left were individual to each person, which is the same for all clubs". He didn't though, he just said something along the lines of "they're good to deal with".

 

[Tonga Bob]

We will probably turn over a good few players next year too, with only 6 players in the end being changed from the 2023 to 2024 list:
Wilson
Benning
Colyer
Hamling
Schultz
Henry

Yet again an example of the way the game has gone - it has become exceedingly rare for a AFL club to turnover less than 6 players in an off season. Normally it’s about 8. Snuffaluphagus can we bookmark this for the inevitable debate next July when people are in here saying we will only turn over 3 or 4 players.

It. Simply. Does. Not. Happen. Anymore.

Adelaide in 2012 were the last club to change less than 5 players from their total playing list.

For next year looking at who is OOC - I’d say Corbett, tabs, Banfield, Hughes, Reidy and Nod are the ones in the red zone, based on their 2023 performances.

Of course there will probably we at least one unexpected trade request from a decent player too. If we can keep it to one, that would be reasonable I think.
It just seems to be the modern way - players move more frequently.

Good point. Difference here is who the person is opening the exit door.

 

[mcnuggets rule]

Same scenario with Allen. If we knew about Schultz and Collingwood 6 months ago we would have worked on him and perhaps come trade time he might have been more open to the idea, rather than springing it on him.

Listening to his manager, they had approached Freo earlier in the year with possible scenarios - ie if we can get something better than next years FA compo world you trade? The answer was possibly. It wasn't linked to Collingwood, that didn't occur until very late, in finals. I suppose that's where Wall's becomes a god and figures out other scenarios - it really is an art, not a science. Unfortunately we weren't prepared to deal for players we'd been prepping. It was really good that he confirmed that each trade has been circumstantial and it's not endemic of a shyte culture.

 

[Purpletown]

How much would it take to get into the top 5?

Finish 14th next year is one way

 

[se17enteen]

Hasn’t mentioned Bell’s name once.

Everytime Colin Young talks about Fremantle, Jason Dover and Tom Seccull make more money.


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[Ge3ks]

Finish 14th next year is one way

So if we don't win we still win.

 

[pK75]

So if we don't win we still win.

Which is why we will win next year, so we lose! (In draft capital).
It’s the docker way, own our own first round pick, finish higher than expected, trade it and fall down the ladder.

 

[serial_thrilla]

I believe Hugh Davies at least is in the process of an extension.

Hopefully they include a "must wear a hat during the summer" stipulation.

 

[serial_thrilla]

What time is trade deadline?

 

[Taylor]

What time is trade deadline?

1630 hrs Perth time

 

[serial_thrilla]

Jordon Sweet to Port for pick 50.

Between him and Soldo, that'll be the end of Lycett's career.

 

[freo_leo29]

1630 hrs Perth time

Add 30 mins because it always happens

 

[Ge3ks]

Jordon Sweet to Port for pick 50.

Sweet nominated Port so he could become the #1 ruck.

Ivan Soldo;

 

[Purpletown]

So if we don't win we still win.

That's the spirit.

 

[freo_leo29]

Am I the only one that wants sharp?

Surely we could have wrangled sharp from gc somehow

F3 and 34 for sharp and one of their late 20s picks

Then on draft night use our 40s and 50s picks to get back upto 34

Effectively giving them an f3 and they end up with about the same points

 

[Jezzitizle]

Am I the only one that wants sharp?

Surely we could have wrangled sharp from gc somehow

F3 and 34 for sharp and one of their late 20s picks

Then on draft night use our 40s and 50s picks to get back upto 34

Effectively giving them an f3 and they end up with about the same points

Meh - did he even get an afl game in a bottom of the ladder team this year?

If the club don’t go for him, he isn’t worth going for.