Autopsy 2023 Rd 10 Blues lose game in first quarter

[found object]

The game was done after the first quarter. H had nothing to lose after that.

Might’ve helped(?), but just happy he looked better this week and hope it continues

 

[__Bobcat__]

Willful misreporting of his comments.

Suggest everyone go watch his press conference for themselves.

The strongest message from Voss was that this performance was totally unacceptable. Let’s hope that’s reflected at the selection table

Was excited About Voss as Carlton Coach going forward.
However Vossy' couldnt coach a cat to drink milk.

 

[myblueroan]

Possibly rhetorical question:

How is it that with SOS in the ruck against Cameron, with Pies getting on a roll in Q1….that we have our slow mids set up in an offensive position at the centre bounces as if we are some hope to win the hitout forward? Of course leads to de Goey bursting out the front alone. And then Doc has to leave his man (WHE) who then kicks it to a leading Mihocek against the afls slowest full back. Game over. How did we set up that way????

I'd ask why SOS was rucking then at all.

 

[BlueVision]

The media are going to jump on the clip of Voss and Crippa on the bench

Watched it, but didn't see anything that made me think there was any dissent from Captain to Coach.....nothing wrong with some robust discussion.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Willful misreporting of his comments.

Here's some quotes directly from Voss.

When asked about improvement he said - "I concede nothing and I expect nothing at the same time. That's probably where we sit." He then went on to say in the same answer "What we don't want to be is an outcome based football team".

When asked about Darcy Moore - "When you go after one you concede the other. We went after Daicos.."

So much for willful misreporting...

 

[Blues Clues]

I’m rapidly becoming too tired to care much anymore. The season is clearly shot and we just keep dishing up the same rubbish week after week against decent sides. Opposition players laugh at us. Our game plan is a laughing stock. Opposition supporters are feasting on our mediocrity.

I’m tired of investing my emotional energy in these blokes.

In the same boat.

Have just stopped caring.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I would say that Moore was very much like Docherty today. Both did their jobs in defence really well.

I'm more worried about how Young performed. Maybe should try him in a different position? Lack of defenders though.

Young was our best KP defender. WTF?

 

[YeoShuey]

Young was our best KP defender. WTF?

Perhaps. Quite a few errors in the first quarter though.

 

[klompy]

Soft standards correlating to on field performance.

We've got generational talent in a few spots and it feels like we are just pissing it up against a wall

Yes, but we have below average talent everywhere else. That’s our problem. People assess Carlton based on Cripps, Curnow, Walsh, Harry and Saad. Personally I don’t think Harry deserves to be in that category, but aside from that, our list is too often assessed on the basis of these individuals. The rest of the list, by position, is average or below average in performance. Our list is bottom 8. Over the last two years we’ve had moments of excitement which has resulted in us over-estimating the ability of the group, In those same games I think many forget how we went to water the moment the opposition upped the tempo.
I think they are trying their guts out. I also think Voss, the Board and supporters are asking of them more than they are capable of delivering


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[SurreyBlue]

Possibly rhetorical question:

How is it that with SOS in the ruck against Cameron, with Pies getting on a roll in Q1….that we have our slow mids set up in an offensive position at the centre bounces as if we are some hope to win the hitout forward? Of course leads to de Goey bursting out the front alone. And then Doc has to leave his man (WHE) who then kicks it to a leading Mihocek against the afls slowest full back. Game over. How did we set up that way????

Just one of many mind scratches.

 

[Graffy4242]

How long till we play West Coast again?? Asking for a friend.

 

[YeoShuey]

How long till we play West Coast again?? Asking for a friend.

July

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Was excited About Voss as Carlton Coach going forward.
However Vossy' couldnt coach a cat to drink milk.

Cats are notoriously difficult to train

 

[blues4flag]

Young was our best KP defender. WTF?

I've never seen another player as overrated as Young. He's terrible. I'm convinced Weiters can't stand him and his form reflects it.

Not sure how or why our supporter base has deluded itself into thinking he's a competent player. Maybe our way of dealing with the loss of Jones.

 

[jj1978]

He just doesn’t know what to say. He doesn’t know what’s going on. He’s lost.

I did chuckle relating to him saying he didn’t see much of the VFL game but heard TDK had a good game.. end if presser he says he watched 3/4s of the game.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Willful misreporting of his comments.

Suggest everyone go watch his press conference for themselves.

The strongest message from Voss was that this performance was totally unacceptable. Let’s hope that’s reflected at the selection table

That’s how I saw his conference


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[Forty3]

Classic.
And you're an insider aren't you 43?
How do we fix this?

Eat humble pie, delete our egos.
Admit that we aren't anywhere near where we need to be to challenge. Our system doesn't work, and won't work. Instead of trying to play a "finals brand" from a decade and a half ago, attempt to make changes and encourage the players to take the game on.
We look like a team that is so afraid of making mistakes, so rigid in where we play and where we are allowed to play that everyone is terrified of breaking a team rule by changing thing up. We'd prefer to lose in a battle than attempt to win and it not work. Fear of failure. We've seen this with Carlton sides far to often. Once they lose confidence we turn inwards and each player wants to make sure they aren't the one highlighted during a game review the following Monday.
Show some integrity, starting with integrity at selection, and then integrity at a board level at the end of the year.
The world has changed, the game has changed. Reward creativity, encourage risk taking. Play a style of football that is to our strengths, rather than a defeatist game style that is about mitigation of the opponents strength. It's almost admitting defeat before the game starts.
Let the players rediscover some enjoyment in their football. Realise that the fans would prefer to see us develop and improve as a team and as individual players more than they would prefer to see us grind out wins with a style that clearly won't stack up (talking about the North and GWS games.)

I personally cannot accept that the players we have are not good enough for us to be a far better team than we are. To much talent has come into our club over the last 20 years, and to many times we've seen them improve and then slowly deteriorate. It simply has to be systemic, and to continue banging our head against the same brick wall year on year is the very definition of insanity. Yes we need a hard edge and we need discipline, but not at the cost of everything else.
Someone said it earlier and I tend to agree with them. We are playing like Collingwood in 2021. Its amazing how quickly a talented group of players can turn it around when they are embraced and encouraged rather than drilled and disciplined, especially as it becomes increasingly more obvious that what they are being taught isn't going to cut it.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Here's some quotes directly from Voss.

When asked about improvement he said - "I concede nothing and I expect nothing at the same time. That's probably where we sit." He then went on to say in the same answer "What we don't want to be is an outcome based football team".

When asked about Darcy Moore - "When you go after one you concede the other. We went after Daicos.."

So much for willful misreporting...

Lol, completely missed the point. You didn’t need to tag him. You just needed your players to lower their eyes and kick to a lead, instead of lob it onto their heads and play into Moore’s hands.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Cripps is a career coach killer

A good captain collaborates with coach and playing group and becomes a part of the solution.

This behaviour has become ingrained in Cripps. You can see it in his performance this year. I think it's a big part of our problem

Big call cookie

 

[athensblue]

Why? I thought he was brutally honest, clearly unhappy with the result, remained positive and refused to single out players but rather the system.

Yes, he was upset and honest and looked a stressed man

 

[outabounds]

Our forward entry has been nothing less than diabolical all year. Moore ate us up and shitted us out today. So predictable he broke the intercept record. Damning

I just listened to Voss in his Press Conference and they asked him about Moore. He really sounded like he still had no idea on how they should have approached this.

 

[Rustica]

First time ive seen Voss visibly frustrated in a presser. Was actually pretty upfront and honestly brutal

 

[windows1]

Eat humble pie, delete our egos.
Admit that we aren't anywhere near where we need to be to challenge. Our system doesn't work, and won't work. Instead of trying to play a "finals brand" from a decade and a half ago, attempt to make changes and encourage the players to take the game on.
We look like a team that is so afraid of making mistakes, so rigid in where we play and where we are allowed to play that everyone is terrified of breaking a team rule by changing thing up. We'd prefer to lose in a battle than attempt to win and it not work. Fear of failure. We've seen this with Carlton sides far to often. Once they lose confidence we turn inwards and each player wants to make sure they aren't the one highlighted during a game review the following Monday.
Show some integrity, starting with integrity at selection, and then integrity at a board level at the end of the year.
The world has changed, the game has changed. Reward creativity, encourage risk taking. Play a style of football that is to our strengths, rather than a defeatist game style that is about mitigation of the opponents strength. It's almost admitting defeat before the game starts.
Let the players rediscover some enjoyment in their football. Realise that the fans would prefer to see us develop and improve as a team and as individual players more than they would prefer to see us grind out wins with a style that clearly won't stack up (talking about the North and GWS games.)

I personally cannot accept that the players we have are not good enough for us to be a far better team than we are. To much talent has come into our club over the last 20 years, and to many times we've seen them improve and then slowly deteriorate. It simply has to be systemic, and to continue banging our head against the same brick wall year on year is the very definition of insanity. Yes we need a hard edge and we need discipline, but not at the cost of everything else.
Someone said it earlier and I tend to agree with them. We are playing like Collingwood in 2021. Its amazing how quickly a talented group of players can turn it around when they are embraced and encouraged rather than drilled and disciplined, especially as it becomes increasingly more obvious that what they are being taught isn't going to cut it.

POTY.

 

[Graffy4242]

I was sitting on Level 2 pretty much behind the goals (Punt Rd end) and from that vantage point it is plainly obvious that when we take possession of the ball in our defensive half there is basically ZERO MOVEMENT from any Carlton player. No one is providing a lead, no one is running past for a handball (in the very few cases they do it is almost ignored 100% of the time).

In contrast the Pies were busting a gut to provide a lead. They ran in waves, in fact they SPRINTED in waves.

It is obvious our work rate is dramatically behind what the elite teams are putting out.

 

[Rustica]

Why? I thought he was brutally honest, clearly unhappy with the result, remained positive and refused to single out players but rather the system.

His best presser imo

Looks like he finally snapped