Autopsy 2023 Rd 21 Last quarter blitz sees Blues in 5th spot

[Kruezing]

When the midfield is stacked, how to play him consistently though?

Agreed he needs FT midfield minutes to develop further and gain confidence.

If all of Cripps, Walsh , Hewitt, Cerra and Kennedy are fit - and they want to play cunners, Motlop , Fogerty through there from forwards, also occasionally doc & acres - how do we give Dow full & consistent games ?

Fisher also showed want he can do on the ball - was brilliant yesterday.

Dow’s not a forward clearly - a clearance specialist with his burst and strength.

As much as we’d like to keep him, not sure how we do ( per Fisher ).

It’s a luxury not a problem … it gives us the opportunity to rotate our mids in such a way that reduces fatigue and probably lessens the chance of injury …

 

[thylacine60]

Kingy is normally said good things about us most of the year. He’s the one that actually still believed in us. I guess will see this morning on SEN when he an Gerard do there top 4 seeds

Kingy discussing things like Cripps back to his brutal best, team football, thought Curnow was terrific, clearance crew going crazy, not about who's not there but how we play, Hollands terrific, role mastery, he was pumped for how we played, loves exciting Cottrell, Vossy has weathered the storm. Gerard adds we'll make a preliminary. They have a proper system. Grateful and hungry. King says we've brought violence to our game. Says how Weits has transformed his game is indicative of the whole team. Would rather be coaching Carlton than SK. On and on. Really good coaching. Carlton too good.

Such a shame Kingy can't say anything positive about Carlton? Spare me more of that garbage.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

It’s a question - IMO it’s Kennedy or Hewett not both. Fog, Cunners, Mots sounds like a mid rotation but they don’t produce when they are there.

Dow wins over 25% of centre clearances when he’s at the bounce - just let that sink in for a moment, 8 blokes in the middle & 1 out of 4 ends up with Dow - that’s a massive advantage to get it forward without 2-3 blokes hanging off Charlie.
Doc isn’t a centre mid - his numbers prove that over and over, great footballer but he’s not a mid - we need to get over the obsession that when someone’s doing well they should be in the centre bounce, it doesn’t work.
Cunners mid work to be frank is disappointing- he looks awesome moving around but doesn’t win many clearances.

It’s great to say all these players can roll thru the mid field - doesn’t mean they are effective at it.

Walsh & Cerra were killing it before getting injured, Crippa is firing, if we can rotate thru a constant centre team of dead set guns (yes I’m incl Dow in that statement, for CB the stats back it) that’s a massive advantage - especially when the line up keeps changing.
When u can win the ball after you’ve had 1 kicked against u or put on another straight away it goes a very long way to winning games - defense is fine but the biggest score wins the game!

Let’s see what next week brings, doubt anyone other than Boyd is back & Melbournes mids can seriously play- will be a good test to see if he can improve again.

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( my like button has been confiscated for being a naughty boy - I was liking with a vengeance yesterday )

What I like about so many flowing through the midfield is how unsettling it must be to the oppo.

In our 6 weeks from hell, all to often we settled on a standard ( best ) midfield mix that could be planned against & overcome.

Cunners, Fog & co may not win many clearances themselves, but they link us on the outside with good disposal generally.

It will be interesting to see how Dow is used moving forward.

He’s got a very clear opportunity - hope he can take it against the best midfield going around this week.

 

[blueboy25]

We were really poor with our forward I50’s tonight, Charlie up against 2/3 defending him, dumb footy, no spread or hit ups unlike our previous games we bombed it long to obvious areas that were either intercepted/defended causing turnovers far too easy, their switching/spread, run & rebound cost us far too many easy goals…

For those who are talking about trading Harry, I think yesterday showed how important he is for us to be another avenue to goal and to take pressure of Chas.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

It’s a luxury not a problem … it gives us the opportunity to rotate our mids in such a way that reduces fatigue and probably lessens the chance of injury …

Yes but we only have 4 on the bench.

Once Walsh & Cerra back over the next 2 weeks - what do we do with Dow?

 

[Coops93]

I don't want to get sucked into hyperbole, but that's got to be the best win for a long, long time. Those are the kinds of games we've lost. Normally we'd wilt from the pressure, fold up when it started to get a bit hard, and let the team that wanted it more push us aside. But not this time... this time we decided we wanted it more and you could see the trust amongst the group.

The best part about this comeback was that it was a slog. St Kilda didn't exactly give up and we had to work hard for every goal - but that just made it all the more satisfying. It wasn't a romping 4th qtr blitzkrieg to kick 6 goals in 10 minutes to jag an exciting finish, it was a grind, it was hard work, it was dedication, and it was understanding that there's a half of footy to go and we don't need to make it all back in one bit of play. Which again is the mindset we would've had before - try hard for 5 minutes but at the first sign of resistance we pack it in, this time we were up for it.

That 2nd qtr for me had me worried. It looked to me like we reverted back to the Carlton of old in the face of pressure. Just bomb long and hope for the best then get beaten on the rebound. The way we changed that mindset at half time, to me, is a sign of excellent coaching but also is a sign of trust in the coaches from the playing group - to take it on board and execute it for the whole 2nd half. Such a good sign.

 

[myblueroan]

The best win for sometime that last quarter was magnifique

Very rewatchable - eh?
Blessed with a day off to bask.

 

[ESKIE]

Goddam it the Lids off ! ………..

 

[SolGoodman]

Good morning Baggers

 

[Aphrodite]

Good morning all

 

[thylacine60]

top 4 power seedings on guessen - gerard says we are 2, kingy 3........

 

[RudyBlue]

What a response. End to end intensity
More of this please Zac

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I think this goes for a lot of our blokes:

Form is temporary, class is permanent

Good coaching brings form. Well done Vossy.

 

[BlueGum]

top 4 power seedings on guessen - gerard says we are 2, kingy 3........

Still not listening then?

 

[Blue__Balls]

It’s a question - IMO it’s Kennedy or Hewett not both. Fog, Cunners, Mots sounds like a mid rotation but they don’t produce when they are there.

Dow wins over 25% of centre clearances when he’s at the bounce - just let that sink in for a moment, 8 blokes in the middle & 1 out of 4 ends up with Dow - that’s a massive advantage to get it forward without 2-3 blokes hanging off Charlie.
Doc isn’t a centre mid - his numbers prove that over and over, great footballer but he’s not a mid - we need to get over the obsession that when someone’s doing well they should be in the centre bounce, it doesn’t work.
Cunners mid work to be frank is disappointing- he looks awesome moving around but doesn’t win many clearances.

It’s great to say all these players can roll thru the mid field - doesn’t mean they are effective at it.

Walsh & Cerra were killing it before getting injured, Crippa is firing, if we can rotate thru a constant centre team of dead set guns (yes I’m incl Dow in that statement, for CB the stats back it) that’s a massive advantage - especially when the line up keeps changing.
When u can win the ball after you’ve had 1 kicked against u or put on another straight away it goes a very long way to winning games - defense is fine but the biggest score wins the game!

Let’s see what next week brings, doubt anyone other than Boyd is back & Melbournes mids can seriously play- will be a good test to see if he can improve again.

Those rotation players bring a few different things to the table. I don't know if the stats support it as such, but to my eye Fogarty's defensive pressure makes it much harder for the opposition to get clean clearances, while Cunners (while not racking them up) is a genuine threat who warrants some attention when he's playing on the edge of the contest.

It's a sum of the parts thing, and probably a horses for courses one.

If our rucks are on top, I'd like to see guys like Dow and Cunners feature more frequently as they're the types who can very quickly gain 15m from the contest before delivering forward, which gives our forwards better looks.

If the opposition is getting first use, or it's a secondary stoppage close to our 50m arc, then I like Fogarty as he makes it hard for the opposition to break into space, which in turn means oppo clearances tend to favour our defenders.

Best set-up will probably always be Cripps, Cerra and Walsh, but using the appropriate rotations at the right times is smart.

 

[thylacine60]

Still not listening then?

after strong wins like yesterday I will take a peak so that my friends don't need to.........otherwise, no, I do not listen to guessen.........

 

[Magruder]

top 4 power seedings on guessen - gerard says we are 2, kingy 3........

behind who?

 

[thylacine60]

behind who?

melbourne

 

[Magruder]

melbourne

and we'll see this weekend...

 

[Stamos]

There was a St Kilda banshee sitting behind us, shrieking like a Stuka.
Probably the worst and most annoying supporter I've ever sat near (it always seems to be Saints supporters).

I gave her a shriek when she walked out with 5 minutes to go.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Most of our lads were pretty poor in H1.

H2, they got their act together, lifted the intensity and delivered... Saints went hard all day, they weren't making it easy.

A team effort again, but special credit to Acres, Hollands, Fisher and Newman/Weits.

Dow was very good too - certainly looks like he belongs now....

Now to the Dees.

Will get a few back this week - Walsh, Boyd, maybe Harry?!!!

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I had to watch the Ross Lyon post match presser. He was very gracious in defeat. Overall attitude. Nonplussed. We planned it well. Stop Charlie. Stop Crippa. Put some work into Saady. How did we lose?

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Harry last played July 15.

It'll be a month by this weekend coming.... Doc came back heaps early, could Harry too?

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

The only negative to this roll we are on is that I am now interested in consuming football 'analysis' and media coverage outside the straight up watching of the games. And it's bad, it's really bad.

 

[Matty411]

The only negative to this roll we are on is that I am now interested in consuming football 'analysis' and media coverage outside the straight up watching of the games. And it's bad, it's really bad.

Better than flooding the blumour and draft forums! Happy to be avoiding them for once this time of year.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I've heard a

Sorry for a negative but Marchbank was horrible today didn’t look afl level.


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Theres been a few say this but can’t agree. Clearly a bit rusty but that's understandable.

Be interested if you could tell me who he played on and how much his opponent impacted the game? (I'll give you a clue - the answer to the second question us next to nothing).

I'm always amazed that even after a stirring backs to the wall win with a depleted team some always have to find somebody to pot. Even more amazed when that player is someone trying to make his way back through a litany of injuries who has played 6 games in 5 years.

Pretty sure that the only defenders likely to come back are Boyd and McGovern. Fisher played Boyd's role on Sunday and did a good job and there's no way we're playing four smalls (Saad, Newman, Fisher and boyd) in our back 7. McGovern might not make it back before finals. It is vital that we back Caleb in as he is currently a vital piece of the equation.