Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[TylerDurden]

No point mortgaging the future on King. He's just come off an ACL.

 

[daniel23]

No point mortgaging the future on King. He's just come off an ACL.

What are our options though ? There isn't a key forward like him in this draft and next year is stacked with mids . I like Riccardi but he isn't of kings quality.

 

[The hands of stone]

I reckon they'll be a few big suprises with trades this year .
Quite a few clubs are being very aggressive , a few are shopping players/salary dumps .

Wouldnt be ruling too much out at this stage . Its a tight comp and most clubs think they can get up the ladder quickly with a decent move or two .

 

[theiaofseed]

No point mortgaging the future on King. He's just come off an ACL.

saying we shouldn't go after Sicily because he did his ACL. King will be an elite KPF for the next decade.

 

[TylerDurden]

saying we shouldn't go after Sicily because he did his ACL. King will be an elite KPF for the next decade.

Then you can say goodbye to pick 3 and F1.

I'm not up for it.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

The North board is melting at the prospect of a salary dump and Sam Flanders for us

Where is this being suggested?

 

[TDS7]

I hope us winning makes these last few weeks fly by so we can get to the real meat of the footy season, RnL posts.

 

[theiaofseed]

Then you can say goodbye to pick 3 and F1.

I'm not up for it.

So pick 4 and like pick 10, to land our number one KPF for the next decade? Sounds good to me.

 

[westhawk]

I think we should trade DGB for a forward. That forward, is DGB. I don’t care what they say publicly I really like him as
A third forward or utility.

I can really see him making it as a forward. His leading is excellent, can take a mark and is aggressive. Is a nice kick aswell.

 

[triple treat]

We will be getting the academy guys regardless so they shouldn’t come into any equation, basically the offer you are putting forward is pick 1 for King and Pick 4?

I think we could do something with pick 4 and extras directly with the Eagles and come out better off with King still in our pocket.

Not trying to piss anyone off here just trying to give a Suns perspective. Happy to bail if I’m intruding

Just out of curiosity taking King out of the equation, what do you expect to get for pick 4?

 

[Mopar Jason]

I think with Hardwick coming in to coach the Suns King will be reluctant to leave at least this year anyway

 

[Platten44]

saying we shouldn't go after Sicily because he did his ACL. King will be an elite KPF for the next decade.

Say that again? You know we drafted Sic yeah???

 

[Iva Bigun]

Just out of curiosity taking King out of the equation, what do you expect to get for pick 4?

It’s a great question, we will likely trade it out to the highest bidder. We have enough points for all our academy players as we have stockpiled them knowing they were going to be elite (if you include pick 4) so if we traded it we would have to get some point back into this year or alternatively trade future 2nd and 3rd round picks. I am hoping we trade it for an A grader wanting to come an play under Dimma

 

[rei154]

If and it’s a big IF Ben want to leave it’s news to the Suns as he has bought a house, his girlfriend lives up here with him and he has said many times he is happy at the Suns. Of course things change so I can’t pretend to know his mind.

As you have stated we would want pick 1 to ensure no bid on Walter and the only way of getting pick 4 with King as you have suggested would be to give us next years first as well and I’m not sure that would be enough as we would want some points in this draft if we gave up pick 4 to ensure we still had points for all our academy boys and there is no guarantee that you wouldn’t climb the ladder with King marking darts from Day

Interesting scenario

I know it's a little bit left of centre, but how do you think GC would value a player like CJ?

Could there be a deal along the lines of

Hawthorn give: Cj, F1, SALARY DUMP, r2, F2 (agreeing to not bid on Tew), r1 GWS
GCS give: King, Pick 4, SALARY DUMPED PLAYER/nothing, r4 (bid on Tew)

I'm not saying Hawks would consider moving on Cj, but I'm interested in how Hawks can keep their top pick and bolster their picks AND King

 

[arupist]

I think with Hardwick coming in to coach the Suns King will be reluctant to leave at least this year anyway

Why should that make a difference?

 

[Rioli magic]

Presuming there is any truth to King wanting to come to Hawthorn…

Would rather it be dealt with next year when he is OOC and use pick 3 this year on adding another high end talent via the draft.

Stronger position for negotiating, more talent onto the list and almost certainly a lower cost in the trade.

Feels a bit premature to be spending multiple firsts on a single player with where our list is at. Ideally I think we should be targeting free agents and the draft to keep growing/maximizing the talent on the list.

 

[theiaofseed]

Why should that make a difference?

People believe players make decisions based on success and how famous their coach is.

 

[Mopar Jason]

Why should that make a difference?

I just think that Hardwick's reputation as a triple premiership coach will have some bearing on wether King seeks a trade

 

[theiaofseed]

Say that again? You know we drafted Sic yeah???

Try and keep up.

It's a rhetorical question hence the lack of a "?". Saying you shouldn't go after x player because they did an ACL just plain crazy.

 

[Billyc]

Presuming there is any truth to King wanting to come to Hawthorn…

Would rather it be dealt with next year when he is OOC and use pick 3 this year on adding another high end talent via the draft.

Stronger position for negotiating, more talent onto the list and almost certainly a lower cost in the trade.

Feels a bit premature to be spending multiple firsts on a single player with where our list is at. Ideally I think we should be targeting free agents and the draft to keep growing/maximizing the talent on the list.

I think if he’s genuinely keen, we’d be silly to wait if a trade could be done while staying inside the top 6-7 picks this year. A lot can change in 12 months, with Hardwick taking over etc. Examples of players changing their mind too if a trade doesn’t happen when they want it (Daniher, Dunkley)

All that said, I doubt it happens and expect we will debate all of these star players and salary dumps for another 3 months only to finish up with Gresham

 

[arupist]

People believe players make decisions based on success and how famous their coach is.

And yet, the pull of the West Coast will always bring a player back home.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I know it's a little bit left of centre, but how do you think GC would value a player like CJ?

Could there be a deal along the lines of

Hawthorn give: Cj, F1, SALARY DUMP, r2, F2 (agreeing to not bid on Tew), r1 GWS
GCS give: King, Pick 4, SALARY DUMPED PLAYER/nothing, r4 (bid on Tew)

I'm not saying Hawks would consider moving on Cj, but I'm interested in how Hawks can keep their top pick and bolster their picks AND King

We have done all our salary dumping as painful as it was so I can’t see that working. We are finally in a strong position and with an excess elite pick so it’s going to be an interesting trade period

EDIT: this gives some indication of how we are placed for those that have access

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2023-damien-hardwick-has-committed-to-coaching-gold-coast-on-a-fiveyear-deal/news-story/cb41d0fd181d311c189b8a10fbbc305a

 

[Rioli magic]

I think if he’s genuinely keen, we’d be silly to wait if a trade could be done while staying inside the top 6-7 picks this year. A lot can change in 12 months, with Hardwick taking over etc. Examples of players changing their mind too if a trade doesn’t happen when they want it (Daniher, Dunkley)

All that said, I doubt it happens and expect we will debate all of these star players and salary dumps for another 3 months only to finish up with Gresham

Yeah if we could keep a pick in the top 6/7 and get King you almost have to do it if he’s committed, I just don’t see how that eventuates with King already contracted for next year and GC not needing any high end picks this year. (actually they are looking to get out of the top end of the draft).

I presume no one here is wanting to put one of our young players on the table as part of the trade, which GC would surely start with in any negotiations.

GC should demand a massive price for King this year if he wants out, he’s contracted for next year and still won’t be a free agent when he’s OOC. As you say a lot can change in 12 months, they are in the drivers seat and don’t really have to do anything, they should back themselves in to convince him to commit over the next 12 months, or demand an exorbitant price in any trade this year. Just IMO.

 

[Colloquy]

What are our options though ? There isn't a key forward like him in this draft and next year is stacked with mids . I like Riccardi but he isn't of kings quality.

The draft didn’t hurt Roughy and Buddy.

Buddy kicked 21 then 31 in his first 2 seasons.

And Roughy kicked 40 in his 3rd year.

The same total Lewis has kicked the last 2 years.

 

[MasterSamurai]

As long as we get a pick in the top five , I'm all good to get king to pair up with Lewis for the next 7-8 years.