List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[LukeParkerno1]

Agree with this you can't have best player in the draft class going for picks 38, 40, 42, 44. Thats the picks used to draft Daicos in 2021, and as i said its crucial to limit this to allow the shocking teams to rebuild before Tassie come in through the 2027 draft.

Exactly and that’s all on the curve it’s a terrible one

 

[Superstar swan]

Twomey reporting eagles and dockers have offered warner 1.5 million

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Discussed on the midweek tackle show yesterday

AFL clubs believe players managers are using the Adelaide Crows to drive up the price of their clients

there’s a view that the club’s interest has been strongly leveraged to boost players’ value.

 

[dosser]

Twomey reporting eagles and dockers have offered warner 1.5 million

We won't match that. If he is gone then we will be increasing our offer to Logan.

 

[dosser]

If the academy advantages are watered down, why don't the northern clubs just request an NGA region in Melbourne to make up for it?

 

[liz]

Problem is they got those players for 2c in the dollar so to speak. They played the system no complaints with what they did- the system is the problem not what they did. The bell curve so to speak is the issue, top 10 picks especially should be worth SIGNIFICANTLY more. Look at what they actually paid for Ethan Read is that fair…not sure it would pass the pub test.

Feel that’s what they need to focus on, change the curve to better reflect what’s fair and realistic. Forget the other stuff like pick limits or where these picks can be. You fix the curve and then teams have to pay with more realistic selections anyway.

It’s not just them look at what the Lions paid for Ashcroft, every club is doing it.

And the previous year they literally gave Geelong pick 7 to get Bowes off their books. There might have been some salary cap errors that contributed to the situation, and the COVID cap squeeze didn’t help, but the biggest single factor behind their salary cap woes was the predatory behaviour of clubs from the southern states whispering sweet nuffins into the ear of every highly touted player they’d drafted for the previous decade, forcing them to overpay anyone they wanted to keep.

If they’re going to “fix” the bidding system, maybe they should also “fix” the trading system that allows clubs to pick off young players from clubs who don’t want to lose them, and that allows those clubs to pay substantially under fair value at the trade table. If you were to draw up a “profit and loss” account for Gold Coast at the draft and trade table over their decade and a bit, they’d be in a substantial deficit. But you don’t hear the powerful southern clubs talk about fixing the trade system.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

And the previous year they literally gave Geelong pick 7 to get Bowes off their books. There might have been some salary cap errors that contributed to the situation, and the COVID cap squeeze didn’t help, but the biggest single factor behind their salary cap woes was the predatory behaviour of clubs from the southern states whispering sweet nuffins into the ear of every highly touted player they’d drafted for the previous decade, forcing them to overpay anyone they wanted to keep.

If they’re going to “fix” the bidding system, maybe they should also “fix” the trading system that allows clubs to pick off young players from clubs who don’t want to lose them, and that allows those clubs to pay substantially under fair value at the trade table. If you were to draw up a “profit and loss” account for Gold Coast at the draft and trade table over their decade and a bit, they’d be in a substantial deficit. But you don’t hear the powerful southern clubs talk about fixing the trade system.

Gold Coast were a very big play in getting Richmond their flag run.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

And the previous year they literally gave Geelong pick 7 to get Bowes off their books. There might have been some salary cap errors that contributed to the situation, and the COVID cap squeeze didn’t help, but the biggest single factor behind their salary cap woes was the predatory behaviour of clubs from the southern states whispering sweet nuffins into the ear of every highly touted player they’d drafted for the previous decade, forcing them to overpay anyone they wanted to keep.

If they’re going to “fix” the bidding system, maybe they should also “fix” the trading system that allows clubs to pick off young players from clubs who don’t want to lose them, and that allows those clubs to pay substantially under fair value at the trade table. If you were to draw up a “profit and loss” account for Gold Coast at the draft and trade table over their decade and a bit, they’d be in a substantial deficit. But you don’t hear the powerful southern clubs talk about fixing the trade system.

Sure but where does culture come into it? You can’t keep whinging about losing players and not change how you attract and keep players. This seems to be changing which is great but GC weren’t without fault themselves there. You draft a player highly getting them to resign quickly is objective no1

 

[dosser]

Sure but where does culture come into it? You can’t keep whinging about losing players and not change how you attract and keep players. This seems to be changing which is great but GC weren’t without fault themselves there. You draft a player highly getting them to resign quickly is objective no1

They were operating out of portables for a long time. That's on the AFL.

 

[anotherletdown]

If the academy advantages are watered down, why don't the northern clubs just request an NGA region in Melbourne to make up for it?

South Melbourne Swans NGA zone. I like the sound of it

 

[Membling]

Twomey reporting eagles and dockers have offered warner 1.5 million

That is a very big payday for him.

Doubt we could/would match that

 

[Wheresbuddy]

That is a very big payday for him.

Doubt we could/would match that

His contract expires end of 2025. Off the top of my head, Rampe, Cunningham, Lloyd and Parker's contracts all expire at the same time. Not to say we let them all go for Chad but if any of the old timers were to play on with us, it would have to be for less given where they would be in 18 months time. So there's a few dollars saved there that can go into the war chest. I suspect that we will also lose a younger star along the journey (?Logan) so if we want to match a big dollar contract, I think we could.

 

[liz]

Sure but where does culture come into it? You can’t keep whinging about losing players and not change how you attract and keep players. This seems to be changing which is great but GC weren’t without fault themselves there. You draft a player highly getting them to resign quickly is objective no1

I have no idea where culture comes into a system that rips off teams like Gold Coast and GWS (and to a lesser extent us and Brisbane) at the trade table. The number one contributor to what people like to call "culture" in a footy context is success. Success breeds optimism and fun and loyalty and a willingness to not chase the largest pay packet. It's hard to achieve success when your list is a revolving door of high draft picks arriving and being poached.

Most teams receive unders when they are forced to trade a player who requests a trade. But most clubs also pay unders when they trade such players in. Not so much the out-and-out stars in their prime, but the younger players with a year or three under their belts who are still developing. And the main reason for these players requesting trades is to "go home". Despite the academies, there are still very few players who want to "go home" to NSW or Queensland.

 

[Kiama Chris]

That is a very big payday for him.

Doubt we could/would match that

Easy talk from the west when it's just talk.
If it's to happen this year Warner will have to ask to be traded and the suitors will have to satisfy the Swans. Not so easily done.
If it's next year we all know the story.
A lot of water to go under the bridge.

 

[bedford]

Sure but where does culture come into it? You can’t keep whinging about losing players and not change how you attract and keep players. This seems to be changing which is great but GC weren’t without fault themselves there. You draft a player highly getting them to resign quickly is objective no1

Watch out he's coming with a rush

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I have no idea where culture comes into a system that rips off teams like Gold Coast and GWS (and to a lesser extent us and Brisbane) at the trade table. The number one contributor to what people like to call "culture" in a footy context is success. Success breeds optimism and fun and loyalty and a willingness to not chase the largest pay packet. It's hard to achieve success when your list is a revolving door of high draft picks arriving and being poached.

Most teams receive unders when they are forced to trade a player who requests a trade. But most clubs also pay unders when they trade such players in. Not so much the out-and-out stars in their prime, but the younger players with a year or three under their belts who are still developing. And the main reason for these players requesting trades is to "go home". Despite the academies, there are still very few players who want to "go home" to NSW or Queensland.

No one is forcing clubs to sign blokes like Bowes to ridiculous deals and then sell them at a tenth of their value.

The changes will be purely and simply to address the issue that’s the poor curve that’s all it is don’t think of it much more than that. That is all it will be you’ll still be able to match it’s just paying acceptable value now

 

[Kbroome]

No one is forcing clubs to sign blokes like Bowes to ridiculous deals and then sell them at a tenth of their value.

The changes will be purely and simply to address the issue that’s the poor curve that’s all it is don’t think of it much more than that. That is all it will be you’ll still be able to match it’s just paying acceptable value now

Well the problem with the Bowes contract was that it was caused by the AFL having rules about minimum spend %. Thus average players at shocking clubs get bumper deals like Bowes and then Gold Coast had a salary cap squeeze soon after and to dump his shocking contract they had to give away such a good pick. AFL needs to remove the minimum spend clause because it causes salary cap squeezes and fire sales

 

[DobmusEdge]

We won't match that. If he is gone then we will be increasing our offer to Logan.

Why wouldn’t we match that?

 

[liz]

Well the problem with the Bowes contract was that it was caused by the AFL having rules about minimum spend %. Thus average players at shocking clubs get bumper deals like Bowes and then Gold Coast had a salary cap squeeze soon after and to dump his shocking contract they had to give away such a good pick. AFL needs to remove the minimum spend clause because it causes salary cap squeezes and fire sales

I'm not sure that cap floor was the cause of the Bowes situation. (It was largely driven by him agreeing to have his contract payments shifted backwards when the COVID cap reductions were imposed.)

The pertinent question is why a club with such little success as Gold Coast was so close to its cap that it reached breaking point. The primary reason is them being forced to pay too much to unproven high draft picks to retain at least some of them to keep the southern vultures away. I'm not suggesting bad decisions weren't made by the Gold Coast, but that's the reality of the situation.

Regardless, this was brought up in the context of a skewed trade system that sits alongside a skewed draft system. Ultimately it doesn't much matter why a required, young, quality player is lost - the point remains that the club losing them invariably receives less than fair value at the trade table.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Just some context.

Would $1.3m for 2026-2030 for Chad reasonable if our club thinks he is worth it.

2015 TPP limit $10.071m
@ 80 % increase

2026 TTP limit $18.29m
2027 TTP limit $18.44m

The players with the highest salaries would likely be Heeney, Gulden, and Warner if he signed.

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[LukeParkerno1]

Just some context.

Would $1.3m for 2026-2030 for Chad reasonable if our club thinks he is worth it.

2015 TPP limit $10.071m
@ 80 % increase

2026 TTP limit $18.29m
2027 TTP limit $18.44m

The players with the highest salaries would likely be Heeney, Gulden, and Warner if he signed.

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Think 1.3 is about right not sure I’d want much more though but think you’d go 1.4 if that would be a happy compromise

 

[Superstar swan]

We shouldn't have to match any 1.5 offers. If a player genuinely wants to be at a club, he will take less than the maximum to ensure it happens. Doubt very much that money is the deciding part in most cases

 

[Cadsky]

What I'd like to know is if the cap is increasing so much, why do all these teams have so much money to spend but our cap is "bulging"? If that is the case, who are we spending our money on? Who is already being paid $1m or more? We should have the money available to match it if its $1.5m

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I reckon Corey and Chad are in lock step. If we keep Chad we will need to offer Corey a decent contract. WCE & FREO would need to offer Corey a long contract on decent coin to secure the deal.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

What I'd like to know is if the cap is increasing so much, why do all these teams have so much money to spend but our cap is "bulging"? If that is the case, who are we spending our money on? Who is already being paid $1m or more? We should have the money available to match it if its $1.5m

Our cap "bulging" is just made up because media assume the big 3 are all on 1m+