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[Carringbush2010]

Team orders are what put Oscar behind in the first place with the pit stop order so end of story, Oscar pits first as he should have he wins outright, but as usual McLaren takes the gloss off it with stupid orders.

Yep and doesn't confirm that Oscar would've won if he pitted 1st, we'll never know.

Also can't be proven that Oscar won on merit.

 

[Carringbush2010]

That's assuming Lando could have past Piastri without the aid of a pitting earlier preference, which was only done to ensure a 1/2 finish. This happened on both Mclaren pitstops

Personally, i think that Lando new if he addressed the team orders earlier that he probably would not have been able to overtake Piastri anyway on this particular circuit.

Look how much trouble Verstappen was having on the medium tyre trying to pass Hamilton who was on much older hard tyres.

But we can only speculate, we can't know for sure.

I don't see why so many on here are so defensive, all I'm pointing out is I'd rather Oscar win on merit instead of team orders.

 

[Carringbush2010]

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You just don't get it. You keep repeating "It WaS tEaM oRdErS" that won Piastri the race, without acknowledging it was team orders on 2 separate occasions that put Lando in a position to win.

That STILL doesn't prove Oscar won on merit, we can't know, we can only speculate.

All I'm saying is that I'd rather Oscar win it on merit rather than given the lead via team orders.

Yeah I get why the race and the pit stop strategies panned out that way.

Regardless, we'll never know IF Oscar could've won it purely on merit, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

What an anticlimax for Oscar, really feel for him that his first race win is now unfairly tainted.

McLaren's strategy was probably over conservative in hindsight but it made sense and would have worked without issue if Lando had followed instructions.

Amazed at F1 twitter and opinion in favour of Lando, forgetting that McLaren sacrificed Oscar's race completely.

Lando showed his true colours today.

 

[DamoESP]

Not sure how you can say that this wasn't won on merit?

Definition of MERIT

a praiseworthy quality : virtue; character or conduct deserving reward, honor, or esteem; also : achievement; a person's qualities, actions, etc. regarded as indicating what the person deserves to receive… See the full definition

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Oscar took P1 on the first corner after his teammate nearly ran him into the wall.
Oscar then built a gap, and when asked by his team, followed orders to manage said gap (instead of increasing it).
Oscar then followed the orders of the team allowing them to give his teammate the optimum pit strategy at the first round of stops (instead of complaining)
Oscar continued to maintain the lead, doing exactly as it was asked by the team in managing the gap (which allowed Lando to stay close to him)
Oscar followed orders again in allowing them to pit Lando first for the second time that race, following orders without complaining.
Oscar trusted the team and his teammate to do the right thing and follow what was asked of them and discussed in their morning briefings.

Oscar did everything that he was asked to do during that race. The above to me fits the definition of the word merit.

 

[Jatz]

Either or, doesn't take away the fact the Oscar was aided by team orders.

Would Oscar have won without team orders? We won't ever know, but highly unlikely, and I would've rather Oscar won without the benefit of team orders.

So was Lando.

Lando only got ahead because of the favourable pit stop - something McLaren clearly conceded they got wrong.

It's clear that no matter who won, it was only coming about because they got the pit strategy ass about.

 

[my name was taken]

Yep and doesn't confirm that Oscar would've won if he pitted 1st, we'll never know.

Also can't be proven that Oscar won on merit.

Lando had 2 undercuts and finished 6 seconds ahead, piastri would have been 8-10 seconds up the road on net pace if he put first. So we do kind of know.

 

[Carringbush2010]

So was Lando.

Lando only got ahead because of the favourable pit stop - something McLaren clearly conceded they got wrong.

It's clear that no matter who won, it was only coming about because they got the pit strategy ass about.

Yep and removes any merit in the win, coz we'll never know, we can only speculate.

 

[Barrybran]

norris attempted to cut across oscar at the start

This is an interesting point in hindsight. Lando's race was never against Max. It was against Oscar. It also explains why Oscar held firm on the inside, believing that Lando wouldn't do anything foolish to take either or both of them out of the race.

 

[smasha]

Looks like a lot in here are a bit p155ed at me pointing out that the team orders gave Oscar the win, and have a hankering to find semantic reasons to prove that Oscar won this meritoriously.

Instead of being so sensitive, convince the world that McClaren didn't give the win to Oscar through team orders bs.

This was not a meritorious win, IF Oscar made up the time to the leader and past the leader for the win, then it would've been meritorious, not this way.

That's all I'm saying, if you wanna be sensitive and reactive about it, then go ahead, not fussed.

Lol,Piastri was told to slow down and he did,Lando disobeyed.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Lando had 2 undercuts and finished 6 seconds ahead, piastri would have been 8-10 seconds up the road on net pace if he put first. So we do kind of know.

But that's speculation, we can't know for sure.

The pit strategy fell Lando's way, in my book that should've been tough t***ies for Oscar, thems the brakes.

Wouldn't you rather Oscar make up the time and pass Lando instead of team orders giving him the lead? You know an undeniable meritorious win?

 

[smasha]

What an anticlimax for Oscar, really feel for him that his first race win is now unfairly tainted.

McLaren's strategy was probably over conservative in hindsight but it made sense and would have worked without issue if Lando had followed instructions.

Amazed at F1 twitter and opinion in favour of Lando, forgetting that McLaren sacrificed Oscar's race completely.

Lando showed his true colours today.

Twitter is full of twits.
Poms always been bad losers.

 

[Bestbird]

But we can only speculate, we can't know for sure.

I don't see why so many on here are so defensive, all I'm pointing out is I'd rather Oscar win on merit instead of team orders.

As i mentioned, if Lando addressed the team order a lot earlier as the only reason he was ahead after the 2nd pit stop was due to a 2 lap undecut due to McLaren for some reason worrying that Hamilton would overtake him.

He then could have had an opportunity to pass Piastri on merit on the track even though he still had the preferred pit stop strategy. Note that he would have been a lot further behind if Piastri pitted first.

 

[Jatz]

But that's speculation, we can't know for sure.

The pit strategy fell Lando's way, in my book that should've been tough t***ies for Oscar, thems the brakes.

Wouldn't you rather Oscar make up the time and pass Lando instead of team orders giving him the lead? You know an undeniable meritorious win?

It didn't 'fall' his way. McLaren caused that.

It's not like he got lucky with a safety car...

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

It's pretty simple - one driver dominated the race, opened a comfortable gap and then trundled around managing tyres according to team orders, maintaining a comfortable lead with minimal risk. The fact Piastri was so dominant over everyone else, allowed him to give his team-mate the pit advantage twice to guarantee the 1-2. This probably cost him 4-6 seconds each time - maybe 10 seconds all up.

The other driver ignored team orders, including directly from McLaren's tyre specialist and risked everything for his own personal greed. Piastri didn't have to push (at least initially) as they were always going to undo the Team Orders that put Lando in front.

Without Piastri's help, Norris may well have been stuck in 4th after the 1st pit-stop. Any suggestion otherwise is mere speculation.

 

[Pablito]

But that's speculation, we can't know for sure.

The pit strategy fell Lando's way, in my book that should've been tough t***ies for Oscar, thems the brakes.

Wouldn't you rather Oscar make up the time and pass Lando instead of team orders giving him the lead? You know an undeniable meritorious win?

It's not speculation it's a fact. Do you understand what an undercut is?
Please actually define an undercut so we can confirm you actually understand what you are arguing against.
If not then you're either trolling or you have no understanding of how F1/racing in general works.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

It's pretty simple - one driver dominated the race, opened a comfortable gap and then trundled around managing tyres according to team orders, maintaining a comfortable lead with minimal risk. The fact Piastri was so dominant over everyone else, allowed him to give his team-mate the pit advantage twice to guarantee the 1-2. This probably cost him 4-6 seconds each time - maybe 10 seconds all up.

The other driver ignored team orders, including directly from McLaren's tyre specialist and risked everything for his own personal greed. Piastri didn't have to push (at least initially) as they were always going to undo the Team Orders that put Lando in front.

Without Piastri's help, Norris may well have been stuck in 4th after the 1st pit-stop. Any suggestion otherwise is mere speculation.

I was willing those tyres to go off completely but assumed they were just trying to spook him to slow down.

 

[jabba5114]

FIA blaming Hamilton for the verstappen crash.
Fmd I don't even like Lewis and I have to defend him with that crap

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[TheEscapeClub]

He 100% proved he was a great teammate. Apart from lap 1, Norris was the better driver. If he was allowed to properly race piastri properly, I think Lando overtakes Oscar easily and wins that grand prix.

Norris is a young Sir Lewis Hamilton, with the same humility.

Lando has a shit temperament, Oscar will put him in the shade by the end of their careers.

Oscar was leading comfortably and pulling away before the first round of pit stops, they told Lando that he was racing Max for second.

If they pit Oscar first both times, we're not even having this conversation.

Poor old Lando must hate the Aussies, I still remember him sitting behind Daniel in Monza practically begging the team to make Daniel let him past so he could get his first win.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Yeah I’m the furtherest thing from a Hamilton fan and even I agree he did nothing wrong in that crash. That was Maxs fault.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I've always loved Hamilton so not sure if this is just me but it seems to me like he's very quickly moving into the territory Vettel did once he got older.

Fans seem to be warming to him more than I've ever seen. Not sure if it's that he's just not winning anymore but I've noticed a big shift in people's attitude towards him.

Agree, I was really pleased for him with his win at Silverstone.

 

[gaskin]

I've always loved Hamilton so not sure if this is just me but it seems to me like he's very quickly moving into the territory Vettel did once he got older.

Fans seem to be warming to him more than I've ever seen. Not sure if it's that he's just not winning anymore but I've noticed a big shift in people's attitude towards him.

Probably because he has been largely irrelevant the last couple of years. The Merc being nowhere means we haven't had to listen to his whinging as much nor have we had to put up with the constant commentary circle jerk.

Personally I still dislike him as much as I always have.

 

[gaskin]

Listening to the P1 Pod race review is infuriating. It is all "woe is Lando" and "McLaren are idiots" with very little about Oscar driving a great race.

I like Matt and Tommy but their Pommy bias reaches The Race levels at times.

 

[Jatz]

Here's a fun bit of trivia.

Guess who had the 2nd fastest lap in the race yesterday...

 

[Jatz]

Listening to the P1 Pod race review is infuriating. It is all "woe is Lando" and "McLaren are idiots" with very little about Oscar driving a great race.

I like Matt and Tommy but their Pommy bias reaches The Race levels at times.

I mean, it's no different to reading through a thread on here with either of the Aussies.

People have clear biases for their fellow countrymen.