Yep..... That was part of the " really sucked".
Autopsy 2024 Rd 5 Blundering Blues give game away to Crows
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Clear gap there mate... saying that's inconclusive might as well not have a score review. It's very different compared to our call last week which was during play, had they "score reviewed" that, they would have said it was touched before Cottrell marked it.
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They just never overrule that stuff - I just find it funny that it hasn't got more attention in the media. If that was the other way and we won by 2pts it would have been front page news
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Three horrendous errors, the stuff up between Kemp and Wiliams, Harry inexplicably dropping a regulation chest mark and then Owies completes the trifecta with his stupid rubbish attempted dribble when he could've straightened up and kicked into an empty goal. Just one less of these errors and we win. We well and truly blew this one.
Watched the replay just now
1. Clearance work is pathetic
2. Atleast 8 times we went inside 50 and bomb it long burning a plyer all alone 30-40 metres out
3. Ball use is poor
4. Thank goodness for Walsh. No one else had a "great' game
5. Crows denied us football as much as possible
6. We should have won but that standard of football will NOT beat good sides
7. Too many passengers
8. Injuries are an issue but doesn't matter when you play Dumb football. IMO this is our major concern that needs to be addressed
1. Clearance work is pathetic
2. Atleast 8 times we went inside 50 and bomb it long burning a plyer all alone 30-40 metres out
3. Ball use is poor
4. Thank goodness for Walsh. No one else had a "great' game
5. Crows denied us football as much as possible
6. We should have won but that standard of football will NOT beat good sides
7. Too many passengers
8. Injuries are an issue but doesn't matter when you play Dumb football. IMO this is our major concern that needs to be addressed
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The Owies non-goal sucks but given our luck last week with the umps I'll take it.
I'm more pissed with his weird stubbed banana effort late in the game. That should have resulted in a goal.
I'm more pissed with his weird stubbed banana effort late in the game. That should have resulted in a goal.
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We need to have a look at our system forward, especially in regards to smalls. I'm not convinced it's just the quality of the smalls. Orazio and Durdin alone should be capable enough, on talent at least.
The fact that Orazio, while I understand may well not be the player he once was, barely gets a look at attacking the goal face most games is telling for mine. That F50 is crowded to high hell.
The fact that Orazio, while I understand may well not be the player he once was, barely gets a look at attacking the goal face most games is telling for mine. That F50 is crowded to high hell.
Protocol definitely needs a look at
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Last week was during play, field umps missed it. Can't really blame umps for that mistake, in real time it's a very tough one to call.
This was actually reviewed and put under the microscope... yet still called inconclusive. This you can absolutely blame. The goal umpire calling it touched was a complete guess - but again, argument can be made in real time, it's tough one to call. However, watching replays in slow motion, it's very conclusive there's a gap and the defender's hand was nowhere near it.
That stubbed banana effort was embarrassing, had more time then he thought and absolutely should have nailed that one home.
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The ruck dilemma (well, Pitto), small forward pressure (lack thereof), and a couple of injuries to pillars of our defence hurt us. Combine that with a touch of arrogance in the last after we got three goals up to a team with zero to lose, and you get pantsed.
From our vantage at centre-wing, Level 3....the only time I thought that we were fully committed was at the start of the last. Cripps set the tone with a couple of hard tackles and the boys followed. Unfortunately, they switched off too early and we got ran over. Before then we couldn't stick a tackle and our defensive structure behind the ball was awful at times. Weiters was going spare at his teammates several times a quarter for letting their opponents get out the back.
We've been riding our luck pretty much all year and were bound to be found out at some point. We had a similar start last year before we fell away and stormed home. Next week is telling and a statement is very much needed if we're to be taken seriously.
From our vantage at centre-wing, Level 3....the only time I thought that we were fully committed was at the start of the last. Cripps set the tone with a couple of hard tackles and the boys followed. Unfortunately, they switched off too early and we got ran over. Before then we couldn't stick a tackle and our defensive structure behind the ball was awful at times. Weiters was going spare at his teammates several times a quarter for letting their opponents get out the back.
We've been riding our luck pretty much all year and were bound to be found out at some point. We had a similar start last year before we fell away and stormed home. Next week is telling and a statement is very much needed if we're to be taken seriously.
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Cripps interview last week against freo….we train for tight finish scenarios 
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Jeremy cameron practices goal kicking. Doesn't mean he has a 100% goal kicking ratioCripps interview last week against freo….we train for tight finish scenarios
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TDK is athletic but needs to find a way to compete against the likes of English, Darcy and O'brien who all outmuscle him or nullify his leap. Pitt has the strength
Should be dropped just for that - trying to banana dribble a goal from there.
Just kick it normally and ice the game. Unforgivable !! (and I don't care if I am 'old-school' and the dribble kick is what kids do these days)
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We need to move the ball a lot quicker into a forward line. Changes things dramatically if u have speed on the ball imo
The crows moved it quick and nearly every entry they had an open threatening forward line with one on ones! Minimal congestion.
We need to get back to this type of play. We did it last year and worked a treat.
But, atm all the players we need in the side to help achieve this our out, so hands are tied somewhat atm.
The crows moved it quick and nearly every entry they had an open threatening forward line with one on ones! Minimal congestion.
We need to get back to this type of play. We did it last year and worked a treat.
But, atm all the players we need in the side to help achieve this our out, so hands are tied somewhat atm.
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This loss has been is the post for ages. Huge wake up call.
We’re a pretty dumb side and it finally got exposed.
We’re a pretty dumb side and it finally got exposed.
Just to clarify, are you saying Charlie’s lack of defensive efforts is the reason we didn’t retain the ball in our forward line?
Voss spoke about our lack the collective lack of defensive pressure was the biggest issue yesterday. Our defence and midfielders were defensively off yesterday.
I could be wrong but I don’t think Vossy had Charlie in mind when he said our defensive effort was off yesterday.
Gonna be hard to move the ball quicker now without the pace & kicking skills of Saad & McGovern for a few weeks.
Take a leaf out of Crows book and change the midfield mix up a bit more to help win clearances and defend in transition better.
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Okay.
My thoughts here are difficult to quantify. I would - for example - be happier if we never pull Nathan Williamson's name to umpire one of our games again; it's probably confirmation bias combined with squeaky wheel gets the grease, but he seems to always be around when there's a dodgy free to give away. One of the few things that hasn't seemed to have been mentioned is that a number of their goals came from free kicks; it's two weeks in a row that we are conceding frees within 20m directly in front of goal. Last week, those frees were holding the ball; yesterday, they were chopping the arms or front on contact.
I think there was a concerted approach from us behind the ball to play in front and spoil from in front to Walker; doing it once or twice is co-incidence, but doing legitimately every time they went forward is a coaching direction. While it didn't work particularly well, I don't think it's a bad way to play Walker; at his best - and yesterday, he was pretty close to his best; away from home he misses shots he kicks at home at around a 50%ish sort of a figure - Walker can outmanoeuvre or outmuscle anyone in the comp. He is also an underestimatedly good field kick, and used it exceptionally well. While Kemp held Fogarty pretty well - he's a good matchup for him, in terms of size and speed - it was the little blokes that murdered us with their legspeed and disposal, pretty much all over the ground.
I think Reilly O'Brien was best on ground for them yesterday. It isn't just the 38 hitouts and 5 tackles - although those are pretty good - it's in the hitouts to advantage that he truly got us because while we won clearances pretty comfortably we couldn't exit the clearances through the sides or the front. All too often, we'd have to retreat, handpass backwards and then have to kick towards CHF rather than FF because their stoppage setup so ably prevented our preferred exit. If metres gained is the most important stat in footy, O'Brien denied us a good 30 odd metres every time we won the clearance yet could not pass forward or sideways. It's also correspondingly telling that we looked our best when Pitto was in the centre in the third and won a good 4 clearances back to back himself; it's interesting to me that both of our rucks perform better when the opposition has had the opportunity to get used to the other bloke, because TDK was at his most effective just as O'Brien got used to Pitto.
I don't like the two rucks, but the coaches clearly think it can work to our favour.
Their kicking was - frankly - out of this world. There were a number of 50m kicks that could've never been intercepted, pulled off under considerable pressure that by rights should never have worked but did. Boyd's kicking too is frankly pristine live. Cottrell's set shot miss hurt us almost as badly as Owies last minute shank. Charlie needs to look more interested when we don't have the ball, and I'm wondering if he's not carrying something because he's not moving the way he did when he was at his best.
I've not been to the footy in years, and I'm glad I went. I'm even looking forward to going next week, now I have weekends free. While it was a pain to get home, it was ****ing fantastic to see just how many blues there are; it puts paid to the notion that we've lost any fans at all throughout the last twenty years.
My thoughts here are difficult to quantify. I would - for example - be happier if we never pull Nathan Williamson's name to umpire one of our games again; it's probably confirmation bias combined with squeaky wheel gets the grease, but he seems to always be around when there's a dodgy free to give away. One of the few things that hasn't seemed to have been mentioned is that a number of their goals came from free kicks; it's two weeks in a row that we are conceding frees within 20m directly in front of goal. Last week, those frees were holding the ball; yesterday, they were chopping the arms or front on contact.
I think there was a concerted approach from us behind the ball to play in front and spoil from in front to Walker; doing it once or twice is co-incidence, but doing legitimately every time they went forward is a coaching direction. While it didn't work particularly well, I don't think it's a bad way to play Walker; at his best - and yesterday, he was pretty close to his best; away from home he misses shots he kicks at home at around a 50%ish sort of a figure - Walker can outmanoeuvre or outmuscle anyone in the comp. He is also an underestimatedly good field kick, and used it exceptionally well. While Kemp held Fogarty pretty well - he's a good matchup for him, in terms of size and speed - it was the little blokes that murdered us with their legspeed and disposal, pretty much all over the ground.
I think Reilly O'Brien was best on ground for them yesterday. It isn't just the 38 hitouts and 5 tackles - although those are pretty good - it's in the hitouts to advantage that he truly got us because while we won clearances pretty comfortably we couldn't exit the clearances through the sides or the front. All too often, we'd have to retreat, handpass backwards and then have to kick towards CHF rather than FF because their stoppage setup so ably prevented our preferred exit. If metres gained is the most important stat in footy, O'Brien denied us a good 30 odd metres every time we won the clearance yet could not pass forward or sideways. It's also correspondingly telling that we looked our best when Pitto was in the centre in the third and won a good 4 clearances back to back himself; it's interesting to me that both of our rucks perform better when the opposition has had the opportunity to get used to the other bloke, because TDK was at his most effective just as O'Brien got used to Pitto.
I don't like the two rucks, but the coaches clearly think it can work to our favour.
Their kicking was - frankly - out of this world. There were a number of 50m kicks that could've never been intercepted, pulled off under considerable pressure that by rights should never have worked but did. Boyd's kicking too is frankly pristine live. Cottrell's set shot miss hurt us almost as badly as Owies last minute shank. Charlie needs to look more interested when we don't have the ball, and I'm wondering if he's not carrying something because he's not moving the way he did when he was at his best.
I've not been to the footy in years, and I'm glad I went. I'm even looking forward to going next week, now I have weekends free. While it was a pain to get home, it was ****ing fantastic to see just how many blues there are; it puts paid to the notion that we've lost any fans at all throughout the last twenty years.
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Partially, yes.
Honestly, I don't think he'd be specific in a presser anyway; it'd be an across the board thing, because it's a poor coach who leaves a player out to bake under the sun alone. But I'm also not the coach, so what would I know really.
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Essendon kicked 17.5 and Geelong kicked 17.4 this season both against Hawthorn. Melbourne kicked 15.6 vs Port in round 3. But I agree with your comment. It certainly was a factor yesterday in that we created enough chances to win so from that respect I think we didn’t necessarily play as bad as everyone is saying. Clearances improved with Pitto and Walsh returning. For me it was the lack of execution and the inability to stop their run that cost us.
Agree 100% - was hard to watch this at the game. I was waiting for our midfield/ruck to turn it around but it didn’t happen.
There doesn’t seem to be any connection between our rucks and midfielders - TDKs taps lacked purpose and didn’t go to our midfielders advantage, seems to just palm the ball down to no one in particular.
Even when our midfielders got the rare possession it was coughed up and the Crows midfield whisked it away.
I agree with you on this point G…
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