Autopsy 2024 Round 3 Bruising Blues Too Much For Roos

[Aphrodite]

Hows this tap from Fog.....very smart play

3Q - 19 min mark

Fog taps the ball over to Ollie - instead of trying to mark it (was a bit difficult to mark).

Ollie catches the ball and turns around his opponent and hand passes back to fog.

Fog delivers to f50 - Durdin then goals.

Just wanted to show an example of smart play.

If a mark is difficult to take then tap the ball to a team mates advantage.

Loved Fog's backward kick over his head in the goal square, Charlie marks uncontested ... goal

That was speeeeeecial!

 

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[Aphrodite]

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[Aphrodite]

Dutchy2

 

[carltonchelsea]

Pay homage to the legend that is Geoff Southby. My childhood hero.


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David Dench and Geoff Southby my dad would say, “you’re not getting a kick on them”.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Owies - Worked hard at it all game and finished with 3 goals. He just scores. I don't know what people want our 3rd most dangerous forward dropped each week.

It's a fair point. He was our 3rd leading goal kicker last year and is again this year.

Not sure how he does it but he does it.

Level with Balta, Marshall, Ben King for goals so far this year.

 

[BlueGum]

David Dench and Geoff Southby my dad would say, “you’re not getting a kick on them”.

Geoff Southby is your dad?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Watched a replay on the Monday. Found it interesting how well Xerri played. He soundly beat TDK. Especially around the contest he thumped TDK. North have a really good one there. TDK has some work to do in the clearances, contested possessions, HTA and intercepts areas I think. A few more marks around the ground wouldn't hurt either. I reckon if pitto is fully fit Voss might just straight swap the two. Pittos more suited to finals footy.... Maybe they keep him fresh until the back half of the season. Don't know but I'm sure the coaches will be looking at this as an area that needs improving

 

[Blue and Blue]

Finally about to see the replay.

One little chocolate egg for each goal we kick.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Watched a replay on the Monday. Found it interesting how well Xerri played. He soundly beat TDK. Especially around the contest he thumped TDK. North have a really good one there. TDK has some work to do in the clearances, contested possessions, HTA and intercepts areas I think. A few more marks around the ground wouldn't hurt either. I reckon if pitto is fully fit Voss might just straight swap the two. Pittos more suited to finals footy.... Maybe they keep him fresh until the back half of the season. Don't know but I'm sure the coaches will be looking at this as an area that needs improving

Still think we've mis stepped a little by having Kreuzer as our ruck coach. Love Humphrey, but he was always more rover than ruck. By the time Kreuzer retired, TDK had already had 3 years learning from him. Can't help but think that Tom stands to gain more from a ruck coach whose game more closely resembled that which TDK's athletic traits should allow.

Maybe there just aren't that many ex-athletic-rucks on the assistant coach market, but geez I'd like to get one in. Even if it's only part-time.

 

[katmanblue]

Marchy was the biggest takeaway from the game for me.
In the history of the game has a player ever been knocked out by his teammates arse landing on his head?
You couldn’t make this s**t up….I lol’d

Must be a hard arse.

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[katmanblue]

Finally about to see the replay.

One little chocolate egg for each goal we kick.

Those 100g eggs aren't little. Can't fool me.

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[Stamos]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

(CARL)
8 - George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(CARL)
6 - Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

(CARL)
3 - Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

(CARL)
2 - Elijah Hollands (CARL)
1 - Adam Cerra (CARL)



Weitering a bit stiff I reckon

 

[Stamos]

Also great club debut for Lij.

 

[Its an amigo!]

Just wanted to say congratulations to Orazio. Came on for the final quarter and had 7 disposals including a goal and a goal assist. Not bad at all.

 

[Arr0w]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Harry McKay (CARL)
8 - George Hewett (CARL)
6 - Patrick Cripps (CARL)
3 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)
2 - Elijah Hollands (CARL)
1 - Adam Cerra (CARL)



Weitering a bit stiff I reckon

I went with this in our gameday votes. Weitering along with a few others were right on the edge of votes

5 Harry
4 Hewett
3 Cripps
2 Charles
1 Cerra

BNB The Prophet

 

[BigFrizz36]

Still think we've mis stepped a little by having Kreuzer as our ruck coach. Love Humphrey, but he was always more rover than ruck. By the time Kreuzer retired, TDK had already had 3 years learning from him. Can't help but think that Tom stands to gain more from a ruck coach whose game more closely resembled that which TDK's athletic traits should allow.

Maybe there just aren't that many ex-athletic-rucks on the assistant coach market, but geez I'd like to get one in. Even if it's only part-time.

It's probably a bit strange to automatically assume that M.K. is limited to only coach rucks the way that he played. It's a bit like saying that Kevin Sheedy shouldn't have been a senior coach because all he knew was how to be a slow back pocket player.

We also have a fairly handy CEO, a well performing board and demanding senior coach. If, as you are intimating, MK is a one dimensional ruck coach (which to be fair you or I are unlikely to know) I doubt very much as to whether he would have been re-appointed to the role by our band of smart operators.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's probably a bit strange to automatically assume that M.K. is limited to only coach rucks the way that he played. It's a bit like saying that Kevin Sheedy shouldn't have been a senior coach because all he knew was how to be a slow back pocket player.

We also have a fairly handy CEO, a well performing board and demanding senior coach. If, as you are intimating, MK is a one dimensional ruck coach (which to be fair you or I are unlikely to know) I doubt very much as to whether he would have been re-appointed to the role by our band of smart operators.

Maybe so. I just think that there's a limit to how much a specialist coach can teach someone before it becomes simple repetition of the same learnings over and over. TDK was learning from Kreuzer as our incumbent ruck from 2018-2020. Then from 2020 onwards he's been learning from Kreuzer as our dedicated ruck coach.

Now, Kreuze is probably also doing some good work with our midfielders in terms of general stoppage craft as well, so that's a bonus.

But I can't help but think that a ruckman with more demonstrated aptitude for the art of tapwork could also do wonders for TDK. I'm sure Kreuze understands it all at an academic level - he'd have been doing homework on the NicNats of the comp throughout his career - but that's absolutely a far cry from having the full experience of a career of being able to outjump opponents and feed a dominant midfield group.

Not sure the Kevin Sheedy comparison is particularly apt. The role of a senior coach is a varied one, and is much more about people management and motivation than it is skills.

It's be more like suggesting that Eddie Betts should be a specialist key forward coach because he was a gun forward and kicked lots of goals. He'd almost certainly have some wonderful insights for Harry and Charlie, but his wealth of experience doesn't really extend to how best to utilise height, reach and athleticism to beat a 195+cm key defender. Two years working with Eddie might teach them some tricks, but 6-7 years would surely tap that well and be verging on wasting resources on a coach who doesn't have the requisite experience to bring out the absolute best in their player.

I'm also acutely aware that Kreuzer is a very popular clubman. I'm certainly not trying to suggest he's not a good coach in his own right. Simply flagging that in a very niche role (working predominantly with 2-3 players), his tenure might be bordering on being past its best before date. He could have a wonderful and lengthy coaching career across multiple clubs, but that doesn't mean having him on our books for 10-15 years is the right move.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Maybe so. I just think that there's a limit to how much a specialist coach can teach someone before it becomes simple repetition of the same learnings over and over. TDK was learning from Kreuzer as our incumbent ruck from 2018-2020. Then from 2020 onwards he's been learning from Kreuzer as our dedicated ruck coach.

Now, Kreuze is probably also doing some good work with our midfielders in terms of general stoppage craft as well, so that's a bonus.

But I can't help but think that a ruckman with more demonstrated aptitude for the art of tapwork could also do wonders for TDK. I'm sure Kreuze understands it all at an academic level - he'd have been doing homework on the NicNats of the comp throughout his career - but that's absolutely a far cry from having the full experience of a career of being able to outjump opponents and feed a dominant midfield group.

Not sure the Kevin Sheedy comparison is particularly apt. The role of a senior coach is a varied one, and is much more about people management and motivation than it is skills.

It's be more like suggesting that Eddie Betts should be a specialist key forward coach because he was a gun forward and kicked lots of goals. He'd almost certainly have some wonderful insights for Harry and Charlie, but his wealth of experience doesn't really extend to how best to utilise height, reach and athleticism to beat a 195+cm key defender. Two years working with Eddie might teach them some tricks, but 6-7 years would surely tap that well and be verging on wasting resources on a coach who doesn't have the requisite experience to bring out the absolute best in their player.

I'm also acutely aware that Kreuzer is a very popular clubman. I'm certainly not trying to suggest he's not a good coach in his own right. Simply flagging that in a very niche role (working predominantly with 2-3 players), his tenure might be bordering on being past its best before date. He could have a wonderful and lengthy coaching career across multiple clubs, but that doesn't mean having him on our books for 10-15 years is the right move.

Still pretty comfortable when the powers that be seem to think that he is the right man for the job.

To my way of thinking it works like this. I am comfortable that Cook, Sayers, the board, Voss etc are all on the right page and heading in the right direction. They have indicated by keeping M.K. in the role that they believe that he is the best person available currently for the role. That's all I need to know.

Your Eddie Betts logic is very weird. You do realise that Jordan Russell is our forward line coach. How much experience does he have as a forward in utilising his height, reach and athleticism to beat a 195cm key defender? Doesn't mean that he can't be a good forwards coach though.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Still pretty comfortable when the powers that be seem to think that he is the right man for the job.

To my way of thinking it works like this. I am comfortable that Cook, Sayers, the board, Voss etc are all on the right page and heading in the right direction. They have indicated by keeping M.K. in the role that they believe that he is the best person available currently for the role. That's all I need to know.

Your Eddie Betts logic is very weird. You do realise that Jordan Russell is our forward line coach. How much experience does he have as a forward in utilising his height, reach and athleticism to beat a 195cm key defender? Doesn't mean that he can't be a good forwards coach though.

I'd argue that "ruck coach" is a much more specialised role than "forward coach". Hence my "Betts as a hypothetical specialist KPF coach" comparison, as I don't think there is actually a comparable role that exists in the modern coaching panel.

Look, if we're going to run with "we have good operators in charge so any decision must be the right one" then we're not getting far in any conversation. I absolutely credit them with making a lot of good decisions, good appointments. But I have no idea what Kreuzer's contract situation is, whether moving him on has been contractually or financially viable, what alternatives there are on the market, whether those alternatives tick enough boxes to warrant being considered ahead of him, whether there have been areas of greater need that were seen as a priority etc. With the limited information available to me, I'm simply explaining why I think TDK would potentially benefit from a different type of ruck coach, and may have benefited had we made a move earlier. I could be wrong, I'm not claiming omniscience here. But hand-waving away the idea on the grounds that "the club hasn't done it therefor it doesn't have merit" certainly isn't doing anything to convince me otherwise.

In the same way I think Bolton was 100% the bloke we needed, right up until he wasn't, I think I could certainly make a case that Kreuzer has done very good work but that there may (have) come a time where a different coach could do more to fulfil TDK's potential.

(Also...we're probably veering well off topic for this thread, so happy to carry on elsewhere if you want to debate it further).

 

[BigFrizz36]

I'd argue that "ruck coach" is a much more specialised role than "forward coach". Hence my "Betts as a hypothetical specialist KPF coach" comparison, as I don't think there is actually a comparable role that exists in the modern coaching panel.

Look, if we're going to run with "we have good operators in charge so any decision must be the right one" then we're not getting far in any conversation. I absolutely credit them with making a lot of good decisions, good appointments. But I have no idea what Kreuzer's contract situation is, what alternatives there are on the market, whether those alternatives tick enough boxes to warrant being considered ahead of him, etc. With the limited information available to me, I'm simply explaining why I think TDK would potentially benefit from a different type of ruck coach, and may have benefited had we made a move earlier. I could be wrong, I'm not claiming omniscience here. But hand-waving away the idea on the grounds that "the club hasn't done it therefor it doesn't have merit" certainly isn't doing anything to convince me otherwise.

You've openly admitted that you have no idea as to whether M.K. is a good ruck coach or not. I also have no idea. In those circumstance all you can do is leave the decision in the hands of those who have been appointed to make it. I'm not sure how that is "not getting far in any conversation".

Just out of interest though what have you identified as issues in the way that our rucks (particularly TDK) are being coached that have raised your concerns?

 

[Blue__Balls]

You've openly admitted that you have no idea as to whether M.K. is a good ruck coach or not. I also have no idea. In those circumstance all you can do is leave the decision in the hands of those who have been appointed to make it. I'm not sure how that is "not getting far in any conversation".

Just out of interest though what have you identified as issues in the way that our rucks (particularly TDK) are being coached that have raised your concerns?

We're people on an internet forum, none of us have any idea about anything that happens at the club but that's not a barrier to reasonable discussion

At the end of the day, I put my faith in the club administrators because I have literally no other choice. I can spitball as much as I like here and it makes not a jot of difference, and I certainly won't gnash my teeth over any decision they make.

In the meantime though, I can't help but feel that despite his growing level of experience (60+ games now, yes?), TDK seems to be developing in all the areas that Kreuzer was notably strong in (ground level work, clearances, tackling) and still lacking in other key facets of the role. He times his jumps poorly, his tapwork seems haphazard, and he's inconsistent when it comes to marking the footy. I'd argue that he would benefit immensely from a couple of years tutelage from someone like a NicNat or Paddy Ryder. And that's not in any way insinuating that Kreuzer is a poor coach - far from it, his strengths as a player are shining through clearly in TDK's game. It's simply musing that the area's of TDK's game that seem to require the most work might be better developed by a coach with a greater understanding of that part of the game.