List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[Diehard Saint]

On the way for bingo for me.

Lovett was the hard R woman basher.
People lament not getting the addict Cousins.
People ruminated getting the soft r Thomas.
We previously had the soft addict in Snake as there was that video of snorting pre trade.
There was also previous rumination about soft tissue Bennell, but that's also a double up of the soft addict.
Oliver would be a bit like Paddy, although he only has ADHD he takes meds for, but then he's also the soft addict and also a different sort of nuisance in being the vandalism of the group.

All we need is the ex-con, a white collar type and since I CBF progressing, just pick enough undesirables to make 25 and you have bingo of poor trade decisions.

You left out Hanners with his party-boy reputation.

 

[gringo2011]

Firstly there’s no way Demons are giving up a FDP this year and another one next year with Tassie coming in soon.

There’s also no way Bulldogs are giving away their 1 round DP for us to take on Lobb.

Shiel only has one year left on his contract so it’s not as it we’re going to get a great pick for taking that on and they’d probably want something back.

I believe that you no longer have to pay out your full salary cap in one year any longer, although I may be wrong. Looks like we’ll be putting a big deal in front of King, so even if we did have the available cap, I’m not spending megabucks on Oliver, Shiel and Lobb that would cripple us in the future.

I’ll take my chances with pick 5 and hopefully 6 thanks. And whatever else the team can conjure up.

But Oliver’s $1.6 million would be a bargain for all that leadership.

 

[Saints4ever]

But Oliver’s $1.6 million would be a bargain for all that leadership.

Training standards would be through the roof

 

[gringo2011]

Also, the introduction of Hill showed how crap we were as a team because we were incapable of using a player with outside run

I don’t think he was something Richo wanted. More a big scalp trade that we’d been talking up getting for ages.

 

[gringo2011]

Training standards would be through the roof

At least the boys would be sorted on a Saturday night.

 

[StFly]

You left out Hanners with his party-boy reputation.

Only because really, booze is legal and it's not like he painted the town like the actual "these are crimes in all sense of the word screened by being prolific footballers" like those I did name. I only recall him having the Franklin and Mumford things.

Did he not give up drinking when he was traded to us also? So there was maturity there also which is why he wasn't named on my bingo.

 

[gringo2011]

Only because really, booze is legal and it's not like he painted the town like the actual "these are crimes in all sense of the word screened by being prolific footballers" like those I did name. I only recall him having the Franklin and Mumford things.

Did he not give up drinking when he was traded to us also? So there was maturity there also which is why he wasn't named on my bingo.

He was supposed to be sending a few Peruvians kids through college if rumours were true.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

He has been on the park for the last 6 weeks and the last 2 at afl level is averaging 27 disposals.

Will be another year older next year. Injury prone. If only take him if he was basically free.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

It’s interesting that the discussion around the period when we brought in Brad Hill and co has received such a negative focus.
I think Uncle Bradley is one of our most significant cultural entities along with his brilliant running game.
He is loved by his team mates and the most disappointing part of going last Saturday was not seeing him play.

Brad had a very slow start with the Saints, but no question he has been worth the trade and cost. Great player and sets a great standard at the club.

Almost has played 100 matches for the Saints and plenty more to come.

The Serong chat implies that Saints would have definitely drafted him. That’s not a definite. Who knows who they would have drafted.

 

[Sir Owens]

Have we been linked to Oliver anywhere? Or is it just BF speculation?

We can't be going anywhere near players like Oliver. Would only end in disaster.

 

[Teflon]

Since it hasn’t been mentioned yet thought I will share

Has to be a fckn joke
Tear up membership stuff this type decision
Guys a broken down hack who spurned us once
Why would you?
I back the club in most things …this would change that ….

 

[Teflon]

Averaging 27 disposals across the last fortnight since returning to the injector side.

Still delivering at a level higher than anybody not named Steele at the saints in that midfield group.

We can’t just go down a full youth track as we still need to use and manage our cap.

We can’t let Battle walk and then trade pick 5 for another player. It doesn’t improve the situation. So you need to keep building the arsenal of top rated kids and ensuring their is senior bodies who they have to overcome for games and aid in their development.

As supporters we need to remain balanced when assessing the actions this offseason.

What is the goal. How does this help us achieve it.

Sorry Nup
I normally nod when I read your stuff
This is batshyte dumb
He’s played a handful of consecutive games so good to go???
I’d need a much bigger body of evidence than that
Rather throw sink at McRae
No hope in hell if we land this spud sets us back

 

[Teflon]

It's so he can be a foil for the young kids in the mids. We have Crouch, Ross, Jones most likely all gone by 2025 which leaves us extremely thin with experience and we all know Steele isn't the best verbal leader either so he can't carry the entire burden. Look at Geelong, they went from having one of the best midfields in the comp to losing Selwood and Menegola, then Guthrie and Danger copped injuries and left too much for the kids to make up for

Get Shiel for one or two years while Pou/Windy and maybe Owens refine their craft and their leadership, then move him on when the next wave is ready. Good thing is that we could potentially turn Paton into Shiel

Where’s his leadership potential????
Looking scared but buffed all the time ??
Guy can’t get on the park
No point being the leader of rehab
If this has legs it’s makes gags look like a god
Dumb if true
Surely surely there are other fringe we could target ….as sone suggest state league …anything…

 

[TheJackal]

Shiel had his chance in 2018 when we threw our 'war chest' in his direction. $8m over 6 years was the rumour, he took a lot less because he didn't want to do it tough at a minnow club like what he had to deal with early days at GWS.

I would be ropeable if we decided to pump up his superannuation just before retirement.

 

[TheJackal]

Jagga and lalor would be the dream

FOS and Smillie would be the dream. But any 2 of those top 5 or 6 have the potential to be the best of this draft over a career.

 

[joydivision22]

To reiterate. If we lose Battle we will get pick 5.

We also have to pay someone else Battles wage we no longer are paying, we also have a war chest....to spend but cannot use free agency without burning Battle comp.

Under football socialism we have to pay the salary cap. We can pay our existing underperforming players over the odds like we did with Billings Bruce and co and stay where we are the last 6 years, in a nowhere eddy current and reward GOFs for underachievement or we cam go fuc$ it let's break the cycle.

Oliver we take his salary and Melbs frdp and most likley their frdp next year as well....Oliver may get back to his best or could be a GOF. He walks into our best 22. We get a hit at another elite kid when Oliver's contract runs out.

Same with Lobb we take him if we get a draft pick we can use...maybe Bullies frdp and we give them back our second. Burn the salary it's the AFLs money anyway.

Shiel same deal, he plays in our team for 1 possibly 2 years especially if Crouch is gone...and he comes with a pick, Bombers rise up the ladder will see them potentially squeezed maybe they deal who knows...but Shiel is not the need it's the pick we get in exchange for his salary

In no scenario do we use any of our valuable draft picks for these players without getting something better as well.

We need to get picks in RFN before Tassie comes into play...time to act bold now before we need to rebuild as Tassie builds.

This draft bats deep let's get 5 picks in the top 30. Oliver Lobb and Shiel replace a cooked Crouch Ross Membrey whilst giving the new draftees time to develop.

On SM-S916B using BigFooty.com mobile app

Can see how these guys would be tempting but I think we’d be better off re-signing King long term and lumping Battles cash into the front end of King’s deal, leaving space to pay more to Phillipou, Owens, Wilson, NWM in 1-3 years for their next contracts.

Lobb is a stinker of a bloke, clarry is a full blown meth addict, possibly in recovery and Shiel is not that much better than Ross and way less durable. Not exactly great additions to a budding culture.

No other club is so tempted to jump at these salary dumps.. always us and north Melbourne clambering to collect the wealthy man’s trash for a few pennies. Let’s continue being a proper club drafting well and developing efficiently, running a profit, playing tough exciting football.

Definelty worthwhile to consider gaining more 2nd round picks but wishful thinking to imagine we’d be receiving decent picks for taking on those guys. Hopefully some draft night magic from sos can net us an extra pick or two.

 

[Joffaboy]

Nothing against Brad as a person. He’s a really great person to have at the club. The issue is with the timing of chasing cherries when we hadn’t made the cake. We are probably closer to a challenge with a more balanced list if we’d taken our natural down time and spent a few years accumulating high draft picks.

We either thought we had a flag list minus a few gap fillers or we tried to cover our arses after stuffing up two consecutive rebuilds. Either way Gags, Trout, Libba and Lethlean rightly got moved on after that.

Has been explained to you a 1000 times, one frdp plus a bunch of low picks would not have done anything for the list.

You go on about some fantasy about topping up when the list balance was shredded.
I suppose you say the same thing long enough and you convince yourself it's true despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Doesn't take into account the football Hill has played for us which is consistently good as well as being a leader of the many indigenous players. He was instrumental in settling kids in and was instrumental in settling NWM and convincing him to stay at the Saints.
His worth to the club has been huge but that doesn't suit the narrative that keeping Acres and one first rounder would have somehow won us the flag.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Michael Goodinski]

Sorry Nup
I normally nod when I read your stuff
This is batshyte dumb
He’s played a handful of consecutive games so good to go???
I’d need a much bigger body of evidence than that
Rather throw sink at McRae
No hope in hell if we lan this spud sets us back

Surely SOS, Gubby and Dalrymple have assessed and pursued more suitable targets than Sheil.

Good player in his day, but his best is far behind him, despite this latest patch of form. We have players aged over 30 similar to him, who we are probably going to off load at the end of the year. He is not part of our plans for the future.

We've just re-signed Hill for 3 more years. He and Mason Wood, Brad Crouch, and Jack Steele provide the experience in the midfield.

Rather than Sheil, I'd hope we put more midfield time into Stocker, Windhager, Owens, Phillipou, Wilson and Nas.

If we can add two more top mids to that entire group, our so-called ordinary midfield looks quite threatening.

One or two from the draft and a free agent or trade and voila!

 

[Michael Goodinski]

Sheil would be a poor man's Hannabery. I hope we've learned our lesson on that one.

A yes to McRae if he's cheap, a no to Lobb and Clarrie. We don't need the kind of damage they might do, culturally.

 

[Longmembrey]

It's so he can be a foil for the young kids in the mids. We have Crouch, Ross, Jones most likely all gone by 2025 which leaves us extremely thin with experience and we all know Steele isn't the best verbal leader either so he can't carry the entire burden. Look at Geelong, they went from having one of the best midfields in the comp to losing Selwood and Menegola, then Guthrie and Danger copped injuries and left too much for the kids to make up for

Get Shiel for one or two years while Pou/Windy and maybe Owens refine their craft and their leadership, then move him on when the next wave is ready. Good thing is that we could potentially turn Paton into Shiel

Yes Geelong lost that midfield experience but they DIDN'T respond by getting an overpriced Shiel-type and they currently sit 3rd... so I don't get the analogy.

 

[Longmembrey]

Baker was limited. He was not ordinary.
If you were playing on Baker, as a forward, or earlier as a midfielder , you were nullified.

He won a B&F... says it all

 

[Waiting for Godot]

Probably initially, it will forward pocket pinch hitting in middle, mixed in with dedicated mid role at Sandy.

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

you start shedding best 22 for picks, you run the risk of losing even more than you planned on, as they go looking for a club who can play finals.

very very risky game.

when you get guys like battle you keep them. letting him go is utter madness.

Unfortunately it may not be a matter of us letting him go, but his desire to chase success with the Hawthorn dream. If money and terms are similar, it may be simply that Hawthorn has turned his head and he wants to go.

 

[BrutThough]

Has been explained to you a 1000 times, one frdp plus a bunch of low picks would not have done anything for the list.

You go on about some fantasy about topping up when the list balance was shredded.
I suppose you say the same thing long enough and you convince yourself it's true despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Doesn't take into account the football Hill has played for us which is consistently good as well as being a leader of the many indigenous players. He was instrumental in settling kids in and was instrumental in settling NWM and convincing him to stay at the Saints.
His worth to the club has been huge but that doesn't suit the narrative that keeping Acres and one first rounder would have somehow won us the flag.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Also helped with getting Henry across.

 

[CaptainRisky]

But Oliver’s $1.6 million would be a bargain for all that leadership.

Don't forget the old Intel and training standards