Traded #25: Jake Stringer - 📦 Traded to GWS for Pick #53 - 16/10

[Lore]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 19, Harlequin

 

[The Donners]

Can't believe the Cats are in the prelim, how did they manage to replace the goals Hawkins kicked for them?

Although your post is in jest. Hawkins booted 36 goals less in 2024 yet Geelong kicked exactly the same number of goals in 2024 (306) as they did in 2023.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Geelong kicked exactly the same number of goals in 2024 (306) as they did in 2023.

Didn't Geelong kick 341 this year?

 

[The Donners]

Didn't Geelong kick 341 this year?

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Hmmm I extracted said data from Final Siren so could be an error?

I just added up each player’s goals for each of those years according to Final Siren and both add up to 306 goals.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Hmmm I extracted said data from Final Siren so could be an error?

I just added up each player’s goals for each of those years according to Final Siren and both add up to 306 goals.

They probably did kick the same amount/similar to last year either way

 

[Duckworth]

It seems weird to be worried about where the goals will come from if we lose Stringer. The ball was getting in there plenty of times, hopefully the guy that replaces him gives a better balance to the forward line and more of those opportunities are converted into goals.

 

[Call Me Cake]

How many goals you need also depends on how many you let through.

Stringer is a good shot at goal, but when he isn't kicking them he becomes a defensive liability. He'll try to shrug off a tackle almost every single time and will get done for HTB or let it go. Other times he'll fail at chasing until it pings back out. This gets worse as the game progresses, in which he'll go missing/lag even more and we're essentially a man down. The season in totality plays out the same in the latter stage of the year.

He's not the cause of our overall defensive shortfalls as a team, but when you're one of if not the most sought in the F50, and we're making league-leading i50 entries and you don't capitalize most of the time then you're usually a significant source of it. Our games became perennial shootouts because they unfortunately often needed to be.

We either have to bank on Stringer having two proper seasons in a row for the first time since '18/'19, or we put someone in his place who'll at least try to keep the ball in the F50/dispose to advantage and get a pick for him while we can.

 

[Cold Sober]

We throw Stinger into the guts when guts are needed, where do we throw Langford.
Langford has the build to be a Cripps type player yet all we get is a one trick pony.

 

[The Donners]

We throw Stinger into the guts when guts are needed, where do we throw Langford.
Langford has the build to be a Cripps type player yet all we get is a one trick pony.

He lacks competitiveness, like Wright.

 

[MiguelM]

If I was Stringer I would go to the Pies in a heartbeat.

 

[Cold Sober]

If I was Stringer I would go to the Pies in a heartbeat.

Maybe he would be thinking PLEASE, get me out of this shit hole.

 

[MiguelM]

Maybe he would be thinking PLEASE, get me out of this shit hole.

I reckon he would love playing with Bobby Hill.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

He lacks competitiveness, like Wright.

He shits on Wright for competitiveness. He may not be a raging bull but when he’s up and going he cracks in and throws himself at marks most wouldn’t.

He was way off in the second half of the season but it has been revealed he was hampered by a knee injury.

 

[hurlygurdy]

Please tell me that we beat Carlton.

How many goals you need also depends on how many you let through.

Stringer is a good shot at goal, but when he isn't kicking them he becomes a defensive liability. He'll try to shrug off a tackle almost every single time and will get done for HTB or let it go. Other times he'll fail at chasing until it pings back out. This gets worse as the game progresses, in which Stringer will go missing or lag even more and we're essentially a man down. The season in totality plays out the same in the latter stage of the year.

Of course Stringer is not the cause of our overall defensive ability as a team, but when you're one of if not the most sought in the F50, and we're making league-leading i50 entries and you don't capitalize most of the time, then you're usually a significant source of it. Our games became perennial shootouts because they often unfortunately needed to be.

We either have to bank on Stringer having back2back proper seasons in a row for the first time since '18/'19, or we put someone in his place who'll at least try to keep the ball in the F50/put it to advantage and get a pick for him while we can.

This sort of post all sounds fine and logical until you factor in the reality that we if we converted shots on goal late in the season to an average or normal extent then we would have made top four and stringer would have close to 50 goals. Do we get rid of him then?

 

[Call Me Cake]

This sort of post all sounds fine and logical until you factor in the reality that we if we converted shots on goal late in the season to an average or normal extent then we would have made top four and stringer would have close to 50 goals. Do we get rid of him then?

Yeah and if I chose a 7 instead of a 4, a 12 instead of a 9 and 23 instead of a 16 then I'd be writing this post while flying on a G6, but the world doesn't run on ifs.

 

[ant555]

The simple fact is despite him being a decent player who can kick 49 to 50 goals we are not a side that is capable n the verge of winning a flag.
He goes and we play Langford and Perkins as the medium forwards.
Then maybe we also move on from that.

 

[hurlygurdy]

Yeah and if I chose a 7 instead of a 4, a 12 instead of a 9 and 23 instead of a 16 then I'd be writing this post while flying on a G6, but the world doesn't run on ifs.

I think it’s the only way to run. You look at the key indicators like contested ball, forward entries, shots on goal etc in order to know where a team needs to improve. If those indicators are strong but the uncontrollable variables skew the result then the only logical thing to do is suck it up. It’s madness to throw away a plan that yields the core data results you are looking for.

 

[crackers65]

Yeah and if I chose a 7 instead of a 4, a 12 instead of a 9 and 23 instead of a 16 then I'd be writing this post while flying on a G6, but the world doesn't run on ifs.

Thanks cake, I’ll take those numbers tonight!

 

[Call Me Cake]

I think it’s the only way to run. You look at the key indicators like contested ball, forward entries, shots on goal etc in order to know where a team needs to improve. If those indicators are strong but the uncontrollable variables skew the result then the only logical thing to do is suck it up. It’s madness to throw away a plan that yields the core data results you are looking for.

The lottery is also an uncontrollable variable. Are you saying if I keep playing I'll definitely win the jackpot?

 

[Rick Ross]

Can't believe the Cats are in the prelim, how did they manage to replace the goals Hawkins kicked for them?

Yeah, respect to the cats for that.
He was in blinding form before getting injured.

 

[The Donners]

Yeah, respect to the cats for that.
He was in blinding form before getting injured.

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You’re trying to pick a narrative to suit you however you’re actually making our point.

Our point is how Geelong went without Hawkin’s goals?

 

[Agronomus]

We throw Stinger into the guts when guts are needed, where do we throw Langford.
Langford has the build to be a Cripps type player yet all we get is a one trick pony.

Didn't we spend a few seasons trying to wreck Langfords career by trying to make him this inside bull we apparently constantly need?

 

[MiguelM]

Didn't we spend a few seasons trying to wreck Langfords career by trying to make him this inside bull we apparently constantly need?

Yep, just bloody recruit one!

We all knew he was a natural forward. Playing players in their BEST positions is something we are not good at. We try and mould the list to fill holes that recruiting has overlooked.

 

[Nicholas61]

Yep, just bloody recruit one!

We all knew he was a natural forward. Playing players in their BEST positions is something we are not good at. We try and mould the list to fill holes that recruiting has overlooked.

Might be a part why we destroy so many guys.

We did recruit a big bodied mid a few years back (Hibberd) but he didn't actually play as an inside bull. Dodoro just saw a big body and midfielder, and assumed that = inside bull. Then you hear Judkins go into detail why he recruited Dane Swan to Collingwood and you can see he understood what he was doing.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Might be a part why we destroy so many guys.

We did recruit a big bodied mid a few years back (Hibberd) but he didn't actually play as an inside bull. Dodoro just saw a big body and midfielder, and assumed that = inside bull. Then you hear Judkins go into detail why he recruited Dane Swan to Collingwood and you can see he understood what he was doing.

Did he? I don't really recall Hibberd playing inside midfield much in either the AFL or VFL side. He was like a big, slow winger. I thought it was mainly the fans here who saw his height and weight, and 'midfield' as his position, put 2 and 2 together and got 6 when his role was always on the outside.

Similar thing happened with that guy with the egg

 

[Rick Ross]

You’re trying to pick a narrative to suit you however you’re actually making our point.

Our point is how Geelong went without Hawkin’s goals?

Yeah… sure… it’s some Dr Seuss Opposite Day thing right?

Hawkins - 36 yo - guessing he’s past it in 2024 now with that run of poor performances. If he’s not there next year… not losing much.

Stringer - 30 yo - shown in 2024 he’s not past it, so if he’s not there next year our goal kicking probably drops off.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy if he’s traded (even for little) for the long term benefit but suggestions we absolutely won’t lose out goals wise in the short term is beyond naive.


BTW - Who is “our” - am I up against some Illuminati or lizard people type alliance?