2nd Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 6-10 1430hrs @ Adelaide Oval

[LukeParkerno1]

Whereas you were far more modest in only wanting to change three of the top six.

Well it’s not as if smith did much at all so the change there could not have done less

 

[Cmarsh]

Swear to god our bowlers have been carrying this side for years, so if you have four exceptional quicks (Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Boland), wouldn't you be tempted to play them all? Windies did it in the 80s with the likes of Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh and Paterson, but guess they did have the luxury of Carl Hooper a spinner who could bat

It would be a huge call to drop Lyon though.

 

[PhatBoy]

The idea that someone is less qualified to speak about sport because you think they were ‘the nerdy kid’ who didn’t play sport at all is archaic and moronic especially given how many of these borderline braindead ex players that can’t deliver two consecutive words of meaningful analysis no matter what level of cricket they have played.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having a go at Gerard Whately’s fairly overreactive opinions one way or the other; he tends to be melodramatic in his assessment of most things these days.

But questioning his right to assess them and his credentials based on whether he played or not is just stupid.

And considering this very forum wanted to blow up the Australian team and start again after the first test, the idea that he was worrying about it too shouldn’t really come as much of a shock, should it?

 

[Jim Prideaux]

The idea that someone is less qualified to speak about sport because you think they were ‘the nerdy kid’ who didn’t play sport at all is archaic and moronic especially given how many of these borderline braindead ex players that can’t deliver two consecutive words of meaningful analysis no matter what level of cricket they have played.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having a go at Gerard Whately’s fairly overreactive opinions one way or the other; he tends to be melodramatic in his assessment of most things these days.

But questioning his right to assess them and his credentials based on whether he played or not is just stupid.

And considering this very forum wanted to blow up the Australian team and start again after the first test, the idea that he was worrying about it too shouldn’t really come as much of a shock, should it?

Yeah, I have to agree Phat. This whole ‘he never played at that level’ thing is such nonsense (the brass eye version, just joking). Hayden played at that level, and he can barely talk and breathe at the same time.

It is a weird Australian thing that you need to have played top level sport to comment/ coach. It makes little sense really.

I have no love for Whately, I think he is a sanctimonious git, but that has nothing to do with his cricketing ability.

 

[Nuggetz]

The idea that someone is less qualified to speak about sport because you think they were ‘the nerdy kid’ who didn’t play sport at all is archaic and moronic especially given how many of these borderline braindead ex players that can’t deliver two consecutive words of meaningful analysis no matter what level of cricket they have played.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having a go at Gerard Whately’s fairly overreactive opinions one way or the other; he tends to be melodramatic in his assessment of most things these days.

But questioning his right to assess them and his credentials based on whether he played or not is just stupid.

And considering this very forum wanted to blow up the Australian team and start again after the first test, the idea that he was worrying about it too shouldn’t really come as much of a shock, should it?

I think he's also trying to make it into a bigger issue to have more content for SEN. Rather than letting storylines evolve themselves, he's trying to 'push' it for audience engagement. It's an easy storyline to milk for the media, especially when both tests have finished significantly earlier.

 

[Cleavy]

If Hazlewood is passed fit, I'd want an all-rounder who can bowl in the team in case he doesn't last the match.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think he's also trying to make it into a bigger issue to have more content for SEN. Rather than letting storylines evolve themselves, he's trying to 'push' it for audience engagement. It's an easy storyline to milk for the media, especially when both tests have finished significantly earlier.

Exactly, it’s a commercial radio station so it gets pumped up more. It’s probably selling his soul to some degree because he made his name as an actual journalist without having to do anything beyond the norm.

I’d say he believes what he’s saying to an extent but not nearly the level it gets pumped

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yeah, I have to agree Phat. This whole ‘he never played at that level’ thing is such nonsense (the brass eye version, just joking). Hayden played at that level, and he can barely talk and breathe at the same time.

It is a weird Australian thing that you need to have played top level sport to comment/ coach. It makes little sense really.

I have no love for Whately, I think he is a sanctimonious git, but that has nothing to do with his cricketing ability.

I think he was once a genuinely great journalist/commentator of a number of sports. But he has been purchased by the networks he is employed by to tell the story they want and not what is necessarily factual or the truth.
On AFL 360 he sounds like he is the CEO of the AFL and they could change the ball to a round ball and he would make it sound like its the right thing to do.

These guys get big money to do what they are told, just the way it is.

 

[sosos]

I thought I wanted more from Alex Carey's batting when I read an earlier post quoting the top 7 batting averages, and he was on 27. Maybe that's for the last year or something but I looked it up and he's actually got 31.35 average.

That compares pretty well with our best wicket keeper batsmen of all time

Healy is heaps lower than what I thought. Gilchrist a complete freak, and Haddin probably the next best.

But Carey is such a good looking batsman, although aesthetics are irrelevant, I feel like he should be constructing some bigger scores.

Certainly he's better technically than Haddin and Healy, probably closer to Tim Paine.

Australian top 10 Test run scorers among wicketkeepers
Adam Gilchrist: 5570 runs @ 47.60, 96 Tests.
Ian Healy: 4356 runs @ 27.39, 119 Tests.
Rod Marsh: 3633 runs @ 26.51, 96 Tests.
Brad Haddin: 3266 runs @ 32.98, 66 Tests.
Matthew Wade: 1613 runs @ 29.87, 36 Tests.
Tim Paine: 1534 runs @ 32.63, 35 Tests

 

[Gough]

I thought I wanted more from Alex Carey's batting when I read an earlier post quoting the top 7 batting averages, and he was on 27. Maybe that's for the last year or something but I looked it up and he's actually got 31.35 average.

That compares pretty well with our best wicket keeper batsmen of all time

Healy is heaps lower than what I thought. Gilchrist a complete freak, and Haddin probably the next best.

But Carey is such a good looking batsman, although aesthetics are irrelevant, I feel like he should be constructing some bigger scores.

Certainly he's better technically than Haddin and Healy, probably closer to Tim Paine.

Australian top 10 Test run scorers among wicketkeepers
Adam Gilchrist: 5570 runs @ 47.60, 96 Tests.
Ian Healy: 4356 runs @ 27.39, 119 Tests.
Rod Marsh: 3633 runs @ 26.51, 96 Tests.
Brad Haddin: 3266 runs @ 32.98, 66 Tests.
Matthew Wade: 1613 runs @ 29.87, 36 Tests.
Tim Paine: 1534 runs @ 32.63, 35 Tests

Gilchrist, Dhoni, ABDV and Sangakarra spoiled keeping for everyone who succeeded them. Traditionally a keeper who was tidy and averaged around 30 was the gold standard, then these freaks all turned up around the same time and rewrote expectations.

 

[74561347]

Gilchrist, Dhoni, ABDV and Sangakarra spoiled keeping for everyone who succeeded them. Traditionally a keeper who was tidy and averaged around 30 was the gold standard, then these freaks all turned up around the same time and rewrote expectations.

Sangakkara had a good batting record while keeping, but he didnt become one of the worlds best bats until he gave up the gloves

Kumar Sangakkara's Test batting average when keeping wicket: 40.48
Kumar Sangakkara's Test batting average when not keeping wicket: 66.78

 

[PhatBoy]

Sangakkara had a good batting record while keeping, but he didnt become one of the worlds best bats until he gave up the gloves

Kumar Sangakkara's Test batting average when keeping wicket: 40.48
Kumar Sangakkara's Test batting average when not keeping wicket: 66.78

On the flip side - and granted it wasn’t a huge sample size - in the 24 tests he did play as keeper, de Villiers averaged 57.

 

[revo333]

Best batting average in the team since his recall midway through last year's average, that might be one reason

6 scores 10 and under in his last 10 innings..

 

[revo333]

Am sure this has been covered already in this thread but I"m not going to read 167 pages. Anyone got any ideas why on earth Mitchell Marsh is deemed worthy of a spot? Test batting average of 30, bowling average of 40. SR of 66. FC batting average of 33.
His bowling is ordinary at best. Is it just because he's a Marsh? FMD if ever a player was inconsistent and irresponsible it's him. No way he should be in the team.

Had his sugar hit in the ashes and Pakistan.

If he can't get to 50 in the first innings in one of the last 3 tests then this should be his last series.

 

[Cmarsh]

Gilchrist, Dhoni, ABDV and Sangakarra spoiled keeping for everyone who succeeded them. Traditionally a keeper who was tidy and averaged around 30 was the gold standard, then these freaks all turned up around the same time and rewrote expectations.

I would add Pant to that freak category.

 

[JimmyBC]

The idea that someone is less qualified to speak about sport because you think they were ‘the nerdy kid’ who didn’t play sport at all is archaic and moronic especially given how many of these borderline braindead ex players that can’t deliver two consecutive words of meaningful analysis no matter what level of cricket they have played.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having a go at Gerard Whately’s fairly overreactive opinions one way or the other; he tends to be melodramatic in his assessment of most things these days.

But questioning his right to assess them and his credentials based on whether he played or not is just stupid.

And considering this very forum wanted to blow up the Australian team and start again after the first test, the idea that he was worrying about it too shouldn’t really come as much of a shock, should it?

 

[sabso]

Am sure this has been covered already in this thread but I"m not going to read 167 pages. Anyone got any ideas why on earth Mitchell Marsh is deemed worthy of a spot? Test batting average of 30, bowling average of 40. SR of 66. FC batting average of 33.
His bowling is ordinary at best. Is it just because he's a Marsh? FMD if ever a player was inconsistent and irresponsible it's him. No way he should be in the team.

He’s coasting off his gift hundred at headingley

 

[sabso]

Mitch Johnson's spell to the soap dodgers in Adelaide in 2013 i think it was was one of the best things Ive witnessed in cricket. Death stares with his mo after each one. Real theatre. These days he'd be suspended for bullying and improper moustache use

lol. We dodge soap, your great great great grandad dodged paying for a sheep

 

[Gough]

lol. We dodge soap, your great great great grandad dodged paying for a sheep

But you still give us passports.

 

[sabso]

But you still give us passports.

Look what you did with your independence though. White Australia, stolen generations, the aluminium bat, rugby ****ing league

 

[Gough]

Look what you did with your independence though. White Australia, stolen generations, the aluminium bat, rugby ****ing league

I can't live in France any more thanks to recent events, so maybe it's a draw for idiocy?

 

[sabso]

I can't live in France any more thanks to recent events, so maybe it's a draw for idiocy?

Maybe a draw, but you retain the trophy

 

[The hands of stone]

I thought I wanted more from Alex Carey's batting when I read an earlier post quoting the top 7 batting averages, and he was on 27. Maybe that's for the last year or something but I looked it up and he's actually got 31.35 average.

That compares pretty well with our best wicket keeper batsmen of all time

Healy is heaps lower than what I thought. Gilchrist a complete freak, and Haddin probably the next best.

But Carey is such a good looking batsman, although aesthetics are irrelevant, I feel like he should be constructing some bigger scores.

Certainly he's better technically than Haddin and Healy, probably closer to Tim Paine.

Australian top 10 Test run scorers among wicketkeepers
Adam Gilchrist: 5570 runs @ 47.60, 96 Tests.
Ian Healy: 4356 runs @ 27.39, 119 Tests.
Rod Marsh: 3633 runs @ 26.51, 96 Tests.
Brad Haddin: 3266 runs @ 32.98, 66 Tests.
Matthew Wade: 1613 runs @ 29.87, 36 Tests.
Tim Paine: 1534 runs @ 32.63, 35 Tests

At the time of their careers Marsh and Healys averages were very good for a wicket keeper.

I think Carey is batting to his ability at test level. A handy keeper/bat .

 

[PhatBoy]

Look what you did with your independence though. White Australia, stolen generations, the aluminium bat, rugby ****ing league

Unless Huddersfield has magically defected to New South Wales I think you’ll find you invented rugby league.

And in doing so invented a far f**king better version of the disgraceful code that came before it anyway. Be proud of your achievement, north of England.

 

[sabso]

Unless Huddersfield has magically defected to New South Wales I think you’ll find you invented rugby league.

And in doing so invented a far f**king better version of the disgraceful code that came before it anyway. Be proud of your achievement, north of England.

Hard disagree phat, not in the mood for a game of pigeon chess today.